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The 2014 Umpire Manuel still has a difficult situations section that talks about collisions on page 253. Collision: contact between defensive and offensive players does not mean that OBS or INT occurred. The field is laid out in such a manner that it puts the defensive and offensive players on a collision course.

Consider the following:
1) did the offensive player alter their direction in a way to draw contact with the defensive player in an attempt to draw and OBS call?

2) did the defensive player alter their attempt to field the ball to draw an INT call?

3) could the defensive player actually make a play?

4) did the defensive player have possession of the ball?

The book says for us to consider the aforementioned factors in making a decision. It further says for us to rely on a thorough knowledge of INT and OBS to make a prompt and accurate decision.

In considering the situation you described, it could be INT, OBS or a collision/wreck. If you judged that the catcher never had a play and that F5 clearly had the only play on the ball, then OBS would likely be the proper call for F2 OBS the BR. We should not be having "do overs".

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Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve (Post 937405)

To my knowledge, there has been no change in that ASA ruling; it is consistent with NCAA and NFHS that this could be a "no call", unless one or the other does something out of the standard expectation.

I agree. BTW, this type of play in which I first heard a clinician clearly note that if both players are going what they are supposed to do (that means the BR runner and catcher chasing the ball) all is good. However, pushing, tripping or knocking down the opponent isn't what you are supposed to do.

late post - still catching up after vacation :)

There are NO do-overs, except those specified in the rules like a batted IP or CO. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 938699)

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There are NO do-overs, except those specified in the rules like a batted IP or CO. :rolleyes:

What are the DO-overs for IP or CO?

There are DO-over options for fielder making a play while using an illegal glove and an unreported defensive substitute making a play.

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Originally Posted by Crabby_Bob (Post 938794)

What are the DO-overs for IP or CO?

There are DO-over options for fielder making a play while using an illegal glove and an unreported defensive substitute making a play.

Yeah, like those.

If a batted IP becomes an out, coach's option can be the batter is up again, granted not 100% do-over; but the idea. If CO, coach can have a similar option.

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Main point, there are no umpire-invented do-overs no matter how unfair we think a rule or play result is.