Originally Posted by Dakota (Post 934474)

OK, this back and forth with 2 different scenarios is making following this tedious. Here is what fdt92 is trying to say (I think) in the modified scenario (no pitch thrown to B4).

B1, B3, B2, B4 and the defense appeals BOO when B4 steps into the box and no pitch has been thrown. B1,3, and 2 are on base.

B3 batted improperly for B2, but the defense did not appeal. Once a pitch was thrown to B2, B3's at-bat becomes legal and the batting order resumes from there.

This makes B4 the proper batter, with B2 batting improperly for B4. B2 gets on base.

The defense appeals B2 out of order before a pitch is thrown to B4. B4 (as the proper batter that B2 batted for) is declared out for failure to bat in turn, and B2's at-bat is negated, with B2 being removed from the bases and B1 and B3 returned to their bases at the time of the last pitch to B2.

B5 is now the batter due up.

That's what fdt92 is trying to say.

OK, explain how this is wrong. I don't think it is.

Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 934274)

If the B4 pitch had not happened, B2 is negated, B3 is out and B4 is up.

Originally Posted by fdt92 (Post 934539)

Cecil first mentioned "if the b4 pitch had not happened..." scenario but his ruling that B4 is up instead of B5 had me wondering what I was missing.

I guess this is not a forum for a new umpire to seek advice.

All of the other forums I go to, it's the moderators that keep it civil, not the ones giving the rude answers with little explanation.

Originally Posted by fdt92 (Post 934277)

If B4 does not take a pitch, B2 is out for batting for B4 and now B5 is up. After B2 took a pitch, that reset the order to the batter after B3.

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 934386)

2 short sentences. 5 mistakes. This is completely incorrect.

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 934558)

If you're looking for advice, you're in the right place. If you're going to post answers as fact, and those answers are wrong, I would expect you to get corrected on any forum - wouldn't you? I didn't reiterate the correct answer because it had already been given.

Originally Posted by Dakota (Post 934563)

That fine, and I agree this is a good umpire board that is generally friendly to new umpires (and even to coaches and fans), but wasn't his post regarding the modified scenario (which you replied as completely incorrect) actually correct?

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 934636)

This is why when discussion a scenario (as opposed to a rule or application), it is in everyone's best interest to start another thread.

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 934636)

This is why when discussion a scenario (as opposed to a rule or application), it is in everyone's best interest to start another thread.

However, if that doesn't happen, the poster should reference the scenario to which s/he is replying.

Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 934654)

ditto!