What the Heck is the Point For?
 

At a training session over the weekend, a colleague brought the most recent NFHS Preseason Guide that Referee magazine puts out. For those who don't do high school ball, it's a 16-page document that covers rule changes, tips, guidance, etc., for the softball umpire's upcoming season.

In it (and I can't pinpoint the page number since I don't have a copy of the guide), there's a column about obstruction. It includes a PlayPic diagram of what the umpire should do when he/she sees a violation. The diagram has the umpire holding the arm out to signal delayed-dead ball, but shows the umpire pointing with the other hand at the infraction. Pointing? That's how a baseball umpire signals obstruction!

Is this just the latest goof by Referee magazine, which is notorious for putting out bad info in the past? Or has the mechanic in softball changed for this season?

BTW, I also think the PlayPic shows the umpire holding out the right arm for the DDB signal, while the point is with the left arm, but I could be wrong on that.

the 2014-2015 NFHS softball umpire manual does not mention or show the 'point'.

I stopped reading your post at "Referee Magazine". Other than the ads at the back, I've never found any use for any of the advice I've read in that magazine, and their rules and mechanics quizzes are more often wrong than right. Sounds like this one's wrong too.

I thought the article on Slap Hitters was pretty insightful and helpful.

Yeah, I used to post on another forum the mistakes I would find in each edition of the magazine. It made for some lively discussion on how screwed up their expert advice really was. After a while I got tired of reading them. I still get them since I'm a member of NASO, but they usually accumulate in the reading material basket next to the commode until I decide to empty the basket out.

I was just amazed when I saw the PlayPic with what amounts to a hybrid mechanic that is flat-out wrong for FED softball. I kinda wonder if this is a FED baseball mechanic that the writer felt (wrongly) applies equally in softball.

Notwithstanding the fact that it might not be an approved mechanic, do you like the mechanic or see the value in using it?

I do like the mechanic, it shows everyone that you saw something. A simple point "That's Obstruction" followed with a DDB Signal ( left arm ) point taken.

Doesn't using the correct mechanic signify the umpire saw the infraction?

Not necessarily. Obstruction is one of those plays that can occur (and almost will definitely occur) without the ball. When it comes to runners running the bases and the ball not near them, most people don't pay attention to obstruction. Usually, it is only the umpire and maybe an offensive coach. Defensive team members are watching the ball more. Particularly with multiple runners on base where any of them could be obstructed by any number of defenders, it can be helpful (though not always) to point to the person who committed the infraction. That can be true on less involved plays too, like R1 stealing 2nd base and there being possible obstruction on F4, F5 or F6.

Often, the player who obstructs a runner is no where around where the obstruction occurred when it is time to make a ruling/award. Pointing to the offender and even, dare I say it, verbalizing obstruction puts people on notice.

You'll hear people make a BS argument that players will stop if you verbalize obstruction. Well, they don't stop runner or swinging when we say illegal pitch. They don't stop when we say "Early" in NCAA when a runner leaves prior to the release. I've never had a runner stop because I verbalized obstruction. And if she did, what the hell difference would it make? She's getting awarded the base(s) I think she would have made but for the obstruction anyway.

If they dont see the DDB signal or hear the umpire say obstruciton, how is pointing going to make any difference? If they didnt see the arm out, how would they possibly see the point?

Verbalizing "Obstruction" is part of the accepted mechanic.

I don't see any value in the point. Giving the DDB signal and saying "Obstruction" is sufficient. Why should the umpire have to add anything superfluous to designate where it happened and/or who was guilty? Once play ends, the umpire who made the call is going to announce specifics of the infraction such as, "Obstruction on the first baseman" or something similar.

Regardless of its worth, the point is not part of the approved mechanic as of now (unless it has changed, and from this thread it appears it hasn't), and the diagram in the Referee magazine product is wrong. Par for the course, unfortunately.

It is a baseball only thing!!! NFHS Baseball dropped the extended arm for Delayed Dead Ball 2 years ago.
I was doing baseball when they they dropped the DDB signal but I would still use it and most coaches where glad to see it used as they would be more aggressive to get the base knowing that they where protected.

NFHS Baseball also automatically awards the next base for Obstruction calls.

Want to fact check this one real quick?

Insane Blue is probably referring to 8-3-2 that states if a runner is obstructed, the umpire will award base(s) to negate the obstruction. The award will be at least one base past the last base legally touched on the runner that was obstructed.

To who ? Most people are watching the ball ? Some times I put my left sock on my right foot, I know that it is not approved but that's just the kind of Umpire that I am. Not approved by the Umpire God's, yes I know. On this Forum it is easy to do a game, the timing is always perfect, the Rule book is never wrong, there is always time to get to the perfect spot, and best of all nobody just Kicks a call. The answer to the question is always easy, the big problem is my Spell Check working !!! The greatest part of doing a game on the Forum is my cup is never half empty.

And again, if they didnt see your arm out, how the heck are they going to see you point?

when my cup is on, its full of balls.

+1 Is that approved by the Softball Gods ? I like the idea while sitting here in my Chase Recliner talking Softball wearing my proper term (Athletic Supporter) ? And to make things even better I have my wife making my Drinks for me.. When you talk to NPF UIC Ed Whipple before you get your schedule, ask him about (The Point) ? GTG my wife is here with another drink.

back then, the gods did not wear cups. they just had their balls bronzed for hardness.

they didn't wear masks either. they had thick leathery faces and big hair doos to protect them. there was no approval for disapproval. it was all good.

what's the point with ed? is he a random premature pointer or non approved non pointer type?

I addressed that in Post #9 if you want to take a look.

Correct

nothing in your post 9 addresses this.

now, truth is, whipple is moonlighting. his day job is a pharmacist. apparently, he has an obsession about people abusing and squeezing toilet paper in his store. when this happens, he is known to point out the culprits.

:D, there is no question of what happened.

WTF are you doing trying to apply common sense to a discussion? ;)

The point is just a waste of time & effort with provides no additional information.

And the verbal, IMO, is just as ludicrous. I've never used a verbal where the players did not stop playing. The verbal, and it wasn't loud, did more to disrupt the play than anything else. That isn't what any action by the umpire should ever do.

IMO, these are just "ideas' that someone sold as a new and improved method of umpiring that provides nothing more than to bring attention to the umpire instead of just playing the game.

I usually signal and say "obstruction at 1st" or "obstruction at short" or ...
I don't remember anyone stopping, except maybe the obstructer, but are you saying not to verbalize at all?

And I never point at anything except an awarded base.

So when you use the "DDB" mechanic with the fist out to the side, do you run around the field and keep umpiring with your fist out or do you put it right back down?

As is taught at most clinics, you leave the arm out long enough for people to see that you ahve something, then drop it.

I do not run around the field like a one-winged chicken....

IMO, if you feel impelled to verbalize it, do so at a low volume as to not draw attention, and I wouldn't point at an awarded base for the same reason I do not announce a base to which a runner is awarded.

Please advise how players and a Coach is going to know where you are awarding the Obstructed runner to ? I know that the point is a Baseball Mechanic, an obstruction call must be verbalized, yes loud enough for the players involved to hear. If you protect a player to 3B and she is tagged out before she reaches 3B someone on the field had better say something ??

Do you mean awarded? My statement was general on awarded bases, but I should have stuck with the theme of the post (OBS). I would simply offer direction. On regular award, just announce the number of bases awarded. I would point only if I felt it necessary to be emphatic with the call or there was an indication of confusion among the players and coaches.

In that case, I would. "DEAD BALL" and announce the OBS.

When NFHS pushed this mechanic, the first time I used it in a HS game, it wasn't that loud, but F4, F6, F5 and the runner all stopped and turned toward me for a call. Even the 3rd base coach turned and looked at me, ignoring her own runner.

A couple weeks later, damn near same thing happened and that is not the effect a DDB is supposed to have on the game. So, going forward, I made a conscientious decision to make sure my "verbal" could not be heard by anyone near the action.

People have a tendency to want every call to be punitive in some manner. OBS is not a punitive call, was never meant to be. While it is informative for the arm to go out, the coach really doesn't need to be aware of it as s/he should just continue coaching the plays that are taking place in front of them. And since many do not understand the rule and believe it is a "free pass", will just run their players out of protection thinking they have nothing to lose.

1) I presume/hope you get that the point I meant is just so the runner(s) know we where they belong, AFTER THE PLAY. Runners often do not know how many bases they get on various out of play situations or INT; let alone where they are to be after OBS. The above reference of "protected to" implies during the play, certainly not the time to be pointing to anything except communicating to a partner or locating a lightning strike.

2) My verbal is not screamed, just loud enough that someone hears. If done during a whole game (or games consistently); players are too used to it to stop or delay.

3) The reason for any signal on OBS is so the teams don't think we made it up afterward, so I think being sure someone knows is important.