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Old Wed Oct 23, 2013, 10:18am
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Home Run Hug
U16 game ... Batter hits a home run ... as she approaches home plate, her teammates & male 1B coach wait for her. Just before the BR enters the 3B batters box, the 1B coach jumps forward, picks her up in a bear hug (awkward), and carries her across home plate. Your call?
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Old Wed Oct 23, 2013, 10:27am
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There isn't really any "call" for me to make here. Let's get a new ball to the pitcher and get the next batter in the box.
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Old Wed Oct 23, 2013, 10:47am
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Don't be an OOO, Overly Offensive Official. If it really bothers you, quietly speak to the HC for the team and ask her/him to let a runner touch all bases before celebrations begin.
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Old Wed Oct 23, 2013, 11:36am
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Make sure you see her touch home plate, then as Bret said, toss a new ball to the pitcher.
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Old Wed Oct 23, 2013, 11:49am
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Make sure you see her touch home plate, the as Bret said, toss a new ball to the pitcher.
I think "carries her across home plate" in the OP meant she did not touch.

Position yourself to see the touch, remind all nearby teammates that she needs to be seen touching the plate.
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Old Wed Oct 23, 2013, 02:00pm
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While I agree with the "no call" here (assuming she touched the base or if she missed it there was no appeal)...

But what, then, do you do when the opposing coach comes out to ask you why we didn't call an out for the coach assisting their player?
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Old Wed Oct 23, 2013, 02:57pm
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But what, then, do you do when the opposing coach comes out to ask you why we didn't call an out for the coach assisting their player?
"Coach, runner's assistance violations only occur during a live ball. Any other questions?"

Of course, different rule sets treat this a little different. I believe coach's assistance can also occur when a runner misses a base and the coach physically assists him/her back to the base. But that's not what happened here.
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Old Wed Oct 23, 2013, 03:23pm
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"Coach, runner's assistance violations only occur during a live ball. Any other questions?"

Of course, different rule sets treat this a little different. I believe coach's assistance can also occur when a runner misses a base and the coach physically assists him/her back to the base. But that's not what happened here.
If I'm your coach, that isn't going to fly, as it's simply not true.

I suspect I would say something more like - "Coach, he did not assist her in reaching the base - in my judgment she would have reached it without his help... if anything, he hindered her."

More than likely, this doesn't come up anyway --- and for the record, if I WAS the coach in this situation, I would not have approached you to ask about it anyway.
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Old Wed Oct 23, 2013, 05:57pm
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NCAA: 1st time - team warning; 2nd time - batter-runner is out.
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Old Wed Oct 23, 2013, 06:51pm
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If I'm your coach, that isn't going to fly, as it's simply not true.

I suspect I would say something more like - "Coach, he did not assist her in reaching the base - in my judgment she would have reached it without his help... if anything, he hindered her."

More than likely, this doesn't come up anyway --- and for the record, if I WAS the coach in this situation, I would not have approached you to ask about it anyway.
ASA 8.7 THE RUNNER IS OUT
E. When any offensive team member, other than another runner, physically assists a runner while ball is live.
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Old Wed Oct 23, 2013, 07:44pm
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I know D1 umpire that called batter out that hit an outa the park HR in a HS playoff game when teammates came out to celebrate and high-five. It cost that team a run, and they lost by one run.
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Old Thu Oct 24, 2013, 06:22am
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I know D1 umpire that called batter out that hit an outa the park HR in a HS playoff game when teammates came out to celebrate and high-five. It cost that team a run, and they lost by one run.
high five does not = assist
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Old Fri Oct 25, 2013, 12:18am
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Who said anything about assist?

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high five does not = assist
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Old Fri Oct 25, 2013, 06:23am
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Who said anything about assist?
Well, then that the hell did he call the runner out for?

Usually when this idiotic call is improperly made, it is because the umpire doesn't understand that in almost every code: 1) the ball must be live; and 2) contact between a player and coach does not, in and of itself, equal assistance.

Moreover, EVEN in NCAA, it isn't an out the first time anyway. It is a warning. So even if the NCAA umpire applied an NCAA rule in a high school game, he didn't even do that correctly.

I hope his partner stepped in to get the rule right.
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