NYY Girardi Tossed

[IRISHMAFIA]

Because the umpire would NOT ask anyone for help on a play right in front of him.

Stated that is all that he asked the umpire to do and was told no, so he kept arguing.

Maybe he thought it was an NCAA game

[DeputyUICHousto]

a Yankee who was tossed from the game I don't really see a problem here!!!

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Because the umpire would NOT ask anyone for help on a play right in front of him.

Stated that is all that he asked the umpire to do and was told no, so he kept arguing.

Maybe he thought it was an NCAA game

This is an example of the ego problem in MLB. The umps are just as bad as the players. It is rare to see umpires actually get together to make sure a call is the correct call. I wouldn't want replay so much, except the umps in MLB are such egomaniacs, that correct calls are missed simply because "it is only my call".

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

This is an example of the ego problem in MLB. The umps are just as bad as the players. It is rare to see umpires actually get together to make sure a call is the correct call. I wouldn't want replay so much, except the umps in MLB are such egomaniacs, that correct calls are missed simply because "it is only my call".

Rubbish. There was no reason to go for help, he was right on it.

Around 1:07 of this recap of the game.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

This is an example of the ego problem in MLB. The umps are just as bad as the players. It is rare to see umpires actually get together to make sure a call is the correct call. I wouldn't want replay so much, except the umps in MLB are such egomaniacs, that correct calls are missed simply because "it is only my call".

The correct call WAS made here. Clearly. There was absolutely no reason to waste the time of the players, fans, and other umpires by going for help.

Do you go for help every time you are asked to, even when you know you have the right call and need no other information???

[EsqUmp]

Girardi, much like Torre, argues the most pointless things and looks like an idiot. Girardi almost never backs down and gets tossed. Torre came to his senses at times.

Then, when there is a blatantly obvious miscall or misapplication of a rule, he sits on his ass and does nothing.

[DeputyUICHousto]

are too much a part of the show. If they would just do their job and not start shit then things would be better for the game.

[UmpireErnie]

I think in baseball in general not just MLB there is a feeling that sometimes getting tossed might "fire up the troops". Not saying it's right or that it even works but I think some believe in getting "strategically" ejected on purpose.

[Manny A]

It is rare for baseball umpires to go for help when they are right on top of a play. The discussions usually happen when an umpire has to make a long-distance call, such as on a home-run.

Most MLB managers know that's the case. Remember when Joyce blew the call on Galarraga's perfect game? You didn't see Leyland yell at him to get help. All he did was berate him for blowing the call.

It has nothing to do with ego. It's all about taking sole responsibility for certain situations, which has been ingrained in these guys from when the started umpiring. You open the door by going for help once, you'll subject yourself to repeated demands to check with your partner(s). That's more disruptive to the game.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Manny A

It has nothing to do with ego. It's all about taking sole responsibility for certain situations, which has been ingrained in these guys from when the started umpiring. You open the door by going for help once, you'll subject yourself to repeated demands to check with your partner(s). That's more disruptive to the game.

Rubbish. If there is a reason to go for help, you go. If there is not, you don't.

The old "once you make the call, you stick with the call" bullshit ended a long time ago and any umpire who is still hanging on that as a philosophy, then it is absolutely an ego problem. Umpires who carry it into softball should find something else to do, they are not helping themselves or the game.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Rubbish. If there is a reason to go for help, you go. If there is not, you don't.

The old "once you make the call, you stick with the call" bullshit ended a long time ago and any umpire who is still hanging on that as a philosophy, then it is absolutely an ego problem. Umpires who carry it into softball should find something else to do, they are not helping themselves or the game.

Fine, but getting back to the original play (Girardi ejection) and also to the Jim Joyce / Galarraga play -- those are plays where an umpire has no reason to ever ask for help and a manager who demands it should, essentially, be told to go pound sand. Nicely at first, of course.

Has nothing to do with ego.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

The old "once you make the call, you stick with the call" bullshit ended a long time ago...

Joyce v. Galarraga happened in 2010.
Meals v. Pirates happened in 2011.
Welke v. Dodgers happened in 2012.

I wouldn't say those qualify for "long time ago".

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Manny A

Joyce v. Galarraga happened in 2010.
Meals v. Pirates happened in 2011.
Welke v. Dodgers happened in 2012.

I wouldn't say those qualify for "long time ago".

I'm referring to real umpiring and the way it is taught. This belongs in the same closet as the other bullshit "tricks" like:

Keeping on the move and make the coach chase you;

Turn you back to the sun and make the coach look into the sun, move if the coach adjusts to move into your shadow;

Try to cause frustration by basically showing no interest in the coach's comments;

And the old favorite stand-by, starting every statement with "in my judgment" whether it was valid or not.

Man, the old guys did anything they could distract anyone from what could have been an inaccurate, but correctible call.

[CecilOne]

Umpire John Hirschbeck exits Phillies-Marlins game after being hit by pitch | phillies.com: News

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Umpire John Hirschbeck exits Phillies-Marlins game after being hit by pitch | phillies.com: News

Foul Tip, huh?