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IRISHMAFIA Sun Jun 02, 2013 08:41pm

Illegal Pitch
 
PU called Tennessee catcher for stepping out of the CB prior to the pitcher delivering the ball.

It was a pitch-out for an intentional walk to set up a force out, but the IP allowed the walk, but also moved the runner to 3B taking away the force at any base.

I want to see a replay because I don't think she was completely outside the box.

RKBUmp Sun Jun 02, 2013 08:50pm

I saw the replays they showed on TV and it looked like her foot was on the outside edge of the line.

IRISHMAFIA Sun Jun 02, 2013 08:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RKBUmp (Post 896398)
I saw the replays they showed on TV and it looked like her foot was on the outside edge of the line.

That's what I thought. I assume the NCAA handles lines to the CB the same as others, on the line equals in the box, circle, etc.

EsqUmp Sun Jun 02, 2013 09:00pm

I would not bet my life that no portion of her foot was on the line at the time of the pitch. No chance in hell that I am calling that.

roadking Sun Jun 02, 2013 09:01pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 896399)
That's what I thought. I assume the NCAA handles lines to the CB the same as others, on the line equals in the box, circle, etc.

HP has good look down at the line, cant believe he's looking for the call!
Not a great look on replay angle.
Whats up with the communication device HP was using under the back stop mats? Was it to notify the press box?

IRISHMAFIA Sun Jun 02, 2013 09:05pm

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Originally Posted by roadking (Post 896403)
HP has good look down at the line, cant believe he's looking for the call!
Not a great look on replay angle.
Whats up with the communication device HP was using under the back stop mats? Was it to notify the press box?

Assuming you are referring to the ball return box (not in use for this tournament) over the umpires right shoulder, it is a phone to the press box. Used to be a princess phone, don't know if they have updated recently.

shipwreck Sun Jun 02, 2013 09:34pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 896399)
That's what I thought. I assume the NCAA handles lines to the CB the same as others, on the line equals in the box, circle, etc.

NCAA rule 6.5.2 states The catcher must be within the catcher's box from the time the pitcher steps on the pitcher's plate until the pitch is released. No part of the catcher's feet may be outside the lines until the pitch is released. Effect - illegal pitch. I don't care what camera angle anyone uses, the catcher's foot was clearly at least partly out of the box. Good call. I had this myself a couple of years ago and ruled the same.
Dave

IRISHMAFIA Sun Jun 02, 2013 10:10pm

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Originally Posted by shipwreck (Post 896411)
NCAA rule 6.5.2 states The catcher must be within the catcher's box from the time the pitcher steps on the pitcher's plate until the pitch is released. No part of the catcher's feet may be outside the lines until the pitch is released. Effect - illegal pitch. So if the camera showed correctly, good call. I had this myself a couple of years ago and ruled the same.
Dave

You know what is humorous, ASA makes the same note for the SP games, but not the FP game. Go figure.

shipwreck Sun Jun 02, 2013 10:39pm

That is funny.

roadking Sun Jun 02, 2013 10:56pm

Yep,
I assumed foot had to be outside the line.

IRISHMAFIA Mon Jun 03, 2013 06:42am

Personally, IMO, the umpire was picking a nit.

CecilOne Mon Jun 03, 2013 09:50am

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Originally Posted by shipwreck (Post 896411)
NCAA rule 6.5.2 states The catcher must be within the catcher's box from the time the pitcher steps on the pitcher's plate until the pitch is released. No part of the catcher's feet may be outside the lines until the pitch is released. Effect - illegal pitch. I don't care what camera angle anyone uses, the catcher's foot was clearly at least partly out of the box. Good call. I had this myself a couple of years ago and ruled the same.
Dave

So, the rule is like batter's box, entire foot must be inside the lines; although OOO.

MD Longhorn Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:20am

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Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 896444)
So, the rule is like batter's box, entire foot must be inside the lines; although OOO.

More specifically, it's like the rule about where the feet must be before the pitch (inside or touching the lines, but nothing touching outside), although not where it must be when the ball is hit (touching the lines, MAY be touching outside).

jmkupka Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:24am

Related question...
 
Speaking ASA (& PONY if anybody's out there), Catcher may set up anywhere as long as they are in the catcher's box, but are they allowed to be standing straight up, ala MLB?

CecilOne Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:33am

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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 896445)
More specifically, it's like the rule about where the feet must be before the pitch (inside or touching the lines, but nothing touching outside), although not where it must be when the ball is hit (touching the lines, MAY be touching outside).

That is of course what I meant, without elucidating any further on the analogy.

CecilOne Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:34am

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Originally Posted by jmkupka (Post 896447)
Speaking ASA (& PONY if anybody's out there), Catcher may set up anywhere as long as they are in the catcher's box, but are they allowed to be standing straight up, ala MLB?

Yes.

IRISHMAFIA Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 896445)
More specifically, it's like the rule about where the feet must be before the pitch (inside or touching the lines, but nothing touching outside), although not where it must be when the ball is hit (touching the lines, MAY be touching outside).

Apparently that is true with the lines in the vicinity of the plate, but no where else on the field.

AtlUmpSteve Mon Jun 03, 2013 01:35pm

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Originally Posted by jmkupka (Post 896447)
Speaking ASA (& PONY if anybody's out there), Catcher may set up anywhere as long as they are in the catcher's box, but are they allowed to be standing straight up, ala MLB?

Help me to understand why this would be a question, please. What could possibly lead anyone to think the catcher cannot?

MD Longhorn Mon Jun 03, 2013 01:42pm

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Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve (Post 896483)
Help me to understand why this would be a question, please. What could possibly lead anyone to think the catcher cannot?

Because of ASA rule 14.3.B.3 - Catchers rising to prepare for a pitch out must remain bent at a 30 degree angle until the ball is thrown. This is known as the Australopithicus rule.

You mean you don't bring your protractor to the field?

CecilOne Mon Jun 03, 2013 03:57pm

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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 896485)
Because of ASA rule 14.3.B.3 - Catchers rising to prepare for a pitch out must remain bent at a 30 degree angle until the ball is thrown. This is known as the Australopithicus rule.

You mean you don't bring your protractor to the field?

:D :D :D :rolleyes: :cool: :cool:

HugoTafurst Mon Jun 03, 2013 05:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmkupka (Post 896447)
Speaking ASA (& PONY if anybody's out there), Catcher may set up anywhere as long as they are in the catcher's box, but are they allowed to be standing straight up, ala MLB?

Yes.
Is there some reason you think she wouldn't?

jmkupka Tue Jun 04, 2013 09:53am

No.
Just had a partner (PONY tournament) insist that she be in the "catching position", in a crouch, prior to the pitch.
Jes' makin' sure I wasn't misreading a simple rule;)

AtlUmpSteve Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:10am

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Originally Posted by jmkupka (Post 896572)
No.
Just had a partner (PONY tournament) insist that she be in the "catching position", in a crouch, prior to the pitch.
Jes' makin' sure I wasn't misreading a simple rule;)

And it is folk lore like that which results in people thinking PONY is by-and-large inferior ball using inferior umpires.

Just me, but I would 1) tell that partner he is a f*cking indiot, and 2) look in every available rule book to assure myself I didn't miss something, before I asked something like that on a national board, making me look like him.

IRISHMAFIA Tue Jun 04, 2013 11:53am

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Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve (Post 896574)
And it is folk lore like that which results in people thinking PONY is by-and-large inferior ball using inferior umpires.

Just me, but I would 1) tell that partner he is a f*cking indiot, and 2) look in every available rule book to assure myself I didn't miss something, before I asked something like that on a national board, making me look like him.

Oooohhhh, now you did it. The F*cking Indiot tribe will be riding on Dacula, GA at sunrise! :) I believe they are the Western Hemisphere cousins of the Maasai Werethefugarewe, the long-lost tribe of great leapers, some with a vertical of 5' found roaming the great savannas of Africa by the great mystic, Carnac the Magnificent while on safari

MD Longhorn Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:16pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 896591)
Oooohhhh, now you did it. The F*cking Indiot tribe will be riding on Dacula, GA at sunrise! :) I believe they are the Western Hemisphere cousins of the Maasai Werethefugarewe, the long-lost tribe of great leapers, some with a vertical of 5' found roaming the great savannas of Africa by the great mystic, Carnac the Magnificent while on safari

I saw him while visiting gypsy cousins in Mesopotamia. Not sure if it was earlier or later in his career, but we called him Carnac the Meh...

AtlUmpSteve Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:29pm

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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 896596)
I saw him while visiting gypsy cousins in Mesopotamia. Not sure if it was earlier or later in his career, but we called him Carnac the Meh...

Meh? Now you sound like my other brother Darrell, AZBigDawg.

IRISHMAFIA Tue Jun 04, 2013 07:19pm

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Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve (Post 896598)
Meh? Now you sound like my other brother Darrell, AZBigDawg.

You mean the guy that loves "lite" beer? :rolleyes:

EsqUmp Thu Jun 06, 2013 06:41am

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmkupka (Post 896572)
No.
Just had a partner (PONY tournament) insist that she be in the "catching position", in a crouch, prior to the pitch.
Jes' makin' sure I wasn't misreading a simple rule;)

Please make sure I don't see this person in PA or VA a month from now.

jmkupka Thu Jun 06, 2013 08:39am

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Originally Posted by EsqUmp (Post 896765)
Please make sure I don't see this person in PA or VA a month from now.

1. You will see me there.
2. I'm not that guy.
3. Posited that question for his benefit, didn't realize I was leaving myself open to the well-deserved abuse. Completely my fault.


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