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Manny A Wed May 22, 2013 11:10am
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Originally Posted by TwoBits (Post 895084)
I supposed you could make a case for interference when a team mates comes out on to the field, but that would be for interference and not for the action of the batter.
No you really couldn't. After all, what are the teammates interfering with? Who are they hindering? What play is taking place?

More than likely, your #3 is what would happen. I can't imagine an infielder staying in fair territory while the BR goes over to her dugout, discards her helmet, and is handed her glove. If, by some chance, there is still an infielder in fair territory, and the BR makes it to first base with her helmet off and her glove on, I suppose the rules leave us no choice but to say she's still a viable runner.

TwoBits Wed May 22, 2013 11:35am
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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 895089)
Not sure where you're getting your 3 here, and the accompanying assertion that these MUST be the only 3 ways an out can occur.

Essentially, in either code, for a BR who doesn't know she's a BR and stops trying to advance to first, we're talking about abandonment. I'm not a big abandonment guy, and I know several umpires like to use that FAR too quickly and FAR too aggressively. However, in THIS case - I believe it applies. And if a teammate tosses the BR her glove so that she can go play a position - that's a pretty clear indication to me of a player who has abandoned her wish to advance to a particular base.
NFHS Casebook 8.1.1 Situation A for the three ways.

This is not abandonment. Check 8-6-19:

A runner is out when...she abandons a base by entering dead-ball territory.

TwoBits Wed May 22, 2013 11:42am
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Originally Posted by Manny A (Post 895090)
No you really couldn't. After all, what are the teammates interfering with? Who are they hindering? What play is taking place?
Definitely a "have to see it" kind of situation. Team mate could push or pull the batter-runner toward first base, or perhaps, as written in 8-16-6d:

The runner is out when...any coach or member of the offensive team, other than a runner, interferes with a defensive player's opportunity to make a play. This includes, but is not limited to...member(s) of the offensive team stand or collect around a base to which a runner is advancing, thereby confusing the fielders and adding to the difficulty of making the play. Members of a team include bat/ball shaggers or any other person authorized to sit on the team's bench.

But either one is still a have-to-see-it situation.

IRISHMAFIA Wed May 22, 2013 05:02pm
Hey, Andy, want to know what I think is funny? The way people are trying to mold a rule to fit what is perceived as a violation.

Not that there isn't possibly an issue, but the "what ifs" are funny.

TwoBits Wed May 22, 2013 05:10pm
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Originally Posted by irishmafia (Post 895142)
hey, andy, want to know what i think is funny? The way people are trying to mold a rule to fit what is perceived as a violation.

Not that there isn't possibly an issue, but the "what ifs" are funny.
+1


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