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rafking Wed Jul 02, 2003 01:51pm

When you toss a player from the game due to: aggressive contact on a base, throwing a bat, or say using inappropriate language - What are the next steps, if in each case the player tossed was called safe or got a hit during the action resulting in the ejection? ASA.
Here is what I think.
1) Dead ball
2) Player is sent to the bench or told to leave the park
3) Substitute enters game and takes position on the base where the tossed player was last.
What if no subs are available?

whiskers_ump Wed Jul 02, 2003 02:17pm

Quote:

Originally posted by rafking
When you toss a player from the game due to: aggressive contact on a base, throwing a bat, or say using inappropriate language - What are the next steps, if in each case the player tossed was called safe or got a hit during the action resulting in the ejection? ASA.
Here is what I think.
1) Dead ball
2) Player is sent to the bench or told to leave the park
3) Substitute enters game and takes position on the base where the tossed player was last.
What if no subs are available?

ASA Rule 4 Sec 9. C.

If a player is disqualified a team can play shorthanded,
however, if a player is <i>ejected</i> and the team does
not have enough players to continue, the game is forfeited.

glen

rafking Wed Jul 02, 2003 02:26pm

Can you provide example differences between disqualified and ejected? Also, an out can not be given when tossing a player, right?

Dakota Wed Jul 02, 2003 02:34pm

A disqualified player is removed for a rule violation (ASA Rule 1 - DEFINITIONS). An example: for being an unreported substitute.

An ejected player is removed for unsportsmanlike conduct or similar act. (again, DEFINITIONS).

There is some overlap in these definitions, but generally speaking, the disqualified player's infraction is more of a technical nature, whereas the ejected player's infraction is along the lines of bad behavior or cheating.

whiskers_ump Wed Jul 02, 2003 02:35pm

Quote:

Originally posted by rafking
Can you provide example differences between disqualified and ejected? Also, an out can not be given when tossing a player, right?
ASA Rule 1 Definitions:

1] Disqualified player - Player removed from the game for rule violation.
A team may continue to play shorthanded if no substitutes are available.
Any disqualified player is discovered taking part in the game, it will
constitute a forfeit.

2] Ejected player - Player removed from the game usually for an unsports-
manlike act or conduct. A flagrant act will require the player to leave
the grounds for the remainder of the game. A team may not continue to play
shorthanded if no substitutes are available, the game is a forfeit. Ejected
player discovered taking part in the game would constitute a forfeit.

glen

whiskers_ump Wed Jul 02, 2003 02:36pm

Again I typed too long. He got me Scott....

glen

Dakota Wed Jul 02, 2003 02:41pm

Actually, Glen, I was quite a while with the "reply" window open... you must <u>really</u> be slow! http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung...smiley-008.gif

Skahtboi Wed Jul 02, 2003 02:56pm

http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/mica/MiscAlert.gif Hmmm...I am beginning to think that Tom has some kind of a "rules interpretation alert" on his computer! http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/mica/MiscAlert.gif

IRISHMAFIA Wed Jul 02, 2003 05:52pm

Quote:

Originally posted by rafking
When you toss a player from the game due to: aggressive contact on a base, throwing a bat, or say using inappropriate language - What are the next steps, if in each case the player tossed was called safe or got a hit during the action resulting in the ejection? ASA.
Here is what I think.
1) Dead ball
2) Player is sent to the bench or told to leave the park
3) Substitute enters game and takes position on the base where the tossed player was last.
What if no subs are available?

Speaking ASA

First thing above all else: You cannot toss a player during a live ball period. You must kill the play or wait for it to end, then dump the player.

If offensive and the player is being ejected for USC and has not yet been put out, you kill the play, rule the player out, return all runners to the last base touched at the time of the unsportmanlike act.

If no substitute, games over.


Dakota Thu Jul 03, 2003 08:22am

Quote:

Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA
If offensive and the player is being ejected for USC and has not yet been put out, you kill the play, rule the player out, return all runners to the last base touched at the time of the unsportmanlike act.
Mike,
I assume you are using case play 10.8-1 for declaring the player out and returning the runners, since that is not provided in the rules. Right?

Before the case play was put in this year, the player was <u>not</u> out for USC, but was removed from the game, and a sub was put into the game in his place.

IRISHMAFIA Thu Jul 03, 2003 11:43am

Quote:

Originally posted by Dakota
Quote:

Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA
If offensive and the player is being ejected for USC and has not yet been put out, you kill the play, rule the player out, return all runners to the last base touched at the time of the unsportmanlike act.
Mike,
I assume you are using case play 10.8-1 for declaring the player out and returning the runners, since that is not provided in the rules. Right?

Before the case play was put in this year, the player was <u>not</u> out for USC, but was removed from the game, and a sub was put into the game in his place.

That, an answer on this years test and a directive from my Regional UIC.



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