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SRW Tue May 22, 2012 11:13pm

Out or Safe?
 
DeJesus is out after collision

Apply this play to ASA / NFHS / NCAA. Rule references, please.

CecilOne Wed May 23, 2012 09:07am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SRW (Post 842958)
DeJesus is out after collision

Apply this play to ASA / NFHS / NCAA. Rule references, please.

If, as it looked, the runner was knocked off the base by the fielder, that would be OBS and award runner 2nd.
No time to look up rule cites. :(

If the ump judged the runner was off because of his own momentum, out ok.

MNBlue Wed May 23, 2012 09:15am

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Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 842994)
If, as it looked, the runner was knocked off the base by the fielder, that would be OBS and award runner 2nd.
No time to look up rule cites. :(

If the ump judged the runner was off because of his own momentum, out ok.

Can you have OBS WITH possession of the ball?

Dakota Wed May 23, 2012 09:19am

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Originally Posted by MNBlue (Post 842997)
Can you have OBS WITH possession of the ball?

No (but you knew that ;)).

MNBlue Wed May 23, 2012 09:34am

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Originally Posted by Dakota (Post 843000)
No (but you knew that ;)).

It was rather rhetorical. ;)

Tru_in_Blu Wed May 23, 2012 09:44am

I'd have a hard time calling a runner out on a play like that. Runner had the base and the only reason he lost contact with it was because he was physically knocked off it.

MNBlue Wed May 23, 2012 09:51am

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Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu (Post 843006)
I'd have a hard time calling a runner out on a play like that. Runner had the base and the only reason he lost contact with it was because he was physically knocked off it.

I understand your point and basically agree.

But, to play devil's advocate a little bit, should his pop-up slide be considered and allow the out to stand?

HugoTafurst Wed May 23, 2012 10:09am

Just wondering, ....
Runner coming into second, F6 has the ball and is setup to make the easy tag..... Runner slides in (legally) and during the collision, ball is dislodged from fielder's posession.
Safe or out?

Andy Wed May 23, 2012 10:26am

Copy and paste of what I posted on the SMSUA facebook page:

Looks ugly...both players are trying to make a play...no obstruction or interference. I think I just have a train wreck and go with the out. I'm open to being convinced otherwise, though.

youngump Wed May 23, 2012 10:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SRW (Post 842958)
DeJesus is out after collision

Apply this play to ASA / NFHS / NCAA. Rule references, please.

Safe. No rule reference because it's not in the book. Allow me to posit a similar play and ask for your rule reference on it. Runner comes into second with a stand up double. Short stop takes the relay throw, runs up to the runner, bear hugs the runner and gently deposits her three feet off the base while tagging her.
It's not obstruction and there's no rule against it but the defense can't push a runner off a base to get an out.

ronald Wed May 23, 2012 11:07am

Quote:

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst (Post 843009)
Just wondering, ....
Runner coming into second, F6 has the ball and is setup to make the easy tag..... Runner slides in (legally) and during the collision, ball is dislodged from fielder's posession.
Safe or out?

safe

MNBlue Wed May 23, 2012 11:11am

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Originally Posted by ronald (Post 843018)
safe

So, Hugo, correct me if I'm wrong.

Your point is that it is OK for the offense to cause the ball to dislodge by doing nothing more than running but it isn't OK for the defense to dislodge a runner from the base doing nothing more than attempting to make a tag?

rwest Wed May 23, 2012 11:34am

What Pop-up slide?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MNBlue (Post 843008)
I understand your point and basically agree.

But, to play devil's advocate a little bit, should his pop-up slide be considered and allow the out to stand?

What pop-up slide? You mean the one he attempted but couldn't complete because he was knocked off the bag? That pop-up slide? :)

Safe at second!

IRISHMAFIA Wed May 23, 2012 11:42am

Speaking ASA

IMJ, this is not a collision which was inherently caused by the lay-out of the field and manner in which the game is played. I would consult with the PU and utilize 10.1 to rule the runner safe.

AFA the clip, you need to remember the league in which this occurred. And the TH was wrong, it was not a late slide, it was a well executed pop-up.

ronald Wed May 23, 2012 11:43am

I find it hard to accept that in a collision the runner must keep in contact with the base as his gained position is displaced. (this is what occurred in the video at 13 seconds. runner's foot touches the bag immediately followed by a tag on his lower shin followed by a collision that removed him from the base and altered his attained position).

I would not have an out at this time.


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