Don't you just love......

[RKBUmp]

Coaches that blame you for their own mistakes? Home coach subs 8 for 2. I verify with him, "8 for 2, correct?" He confirms, 8 for 2. Watches me circle 8 on the subs and write it next to 2 on the lineup. I loudly announce sub to visitors scorekeeper twice. 2 innings later visiting coach comes out to appeal an unreported sub, 2 had just batted and is on base. I rule on play, here comes home coach. "I subbed 8 for 10, not 2". I explain he had verified and watched me write down the sub. As he is walking away he says, "2 sounds like 10, I see how you could make that mistake."

[SRW]

One way to help prevent this from occurring is when he says "8 in for 2", you repeat "8 Jones in for 2 Smith, correct, coach?" When he hears "2 Smith" and realizes he meant "10 Taylor", he'll correct you quickly.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by SRW

One way to help prevent this from occurring is when he says "8 in for 2", you repeat "8 Jones in for 2 Smith, correct, coach?" When he hears "2 Smith" and realizes he meant "10 Taylor", he'll correct you quickly.

Except that he meant 2 Smith and just forgot what he did or is trying to cover for a mistake.

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by SRW

One way to help prevent this from occurring is when he says "8 in for 2", you repeat "8 Jones in for 2 Smith, correct, coach?" When he hears "2 Smith" and realizes he meant "10 Taylor", he'll correct you quickly.

Would that be preventive officiating or coaching?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by MNBlue

Would that be preventive officiating or coaching?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Let them screw up. They will learn.

[marvin]

I always repeat the substitution back to the coach using names if they used numbers and numbers if they used names. This makes both of us have to think a bit and makes sure that the substitution is correct. It also prevents a misreading of the lineup card by inadvertently reading the position number instead of the uniform number. I find that substitutions are something that many umpires do not take enough time with and cringe whenever I see my partner taking subs without recording them as they are given.

In the case in the OP the coach messed up.

[HugoTafurst]

I'm with SRW & Marvin on this one.
Just a habit that prevents me from making a mistake (such as position vs. Jersey #) as well as the coach.

[x-tremeump]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

Let them screw up. They will learn.

I am with you on this one. Game Management. No Coaching.

[JEL]

Originally Posted by marvin

I always repeat the substitution back to the coach using names if they used numbers and numbers if they used names. This makes both of us have to think a bit and makes sure that the substitution is correct. It also prevents a misreading of the lineup card by inadvertently reading the position number instead of the uniform number. I find that substitutions are something that many umpires do not take enough time with and cringe whenever I see my partner taking subs without recording them as they are given.

In the case in the OP the coach messed up.

I'm half blind!

I make 'em point to it!

[NSABill]

How about how it is your fault their team makes 6 errors, pitcher can not throw strikes, but "you are not consistent".

[x-tremeump]

Originally Posted by JEL

I'm half blind!

I make 'em point to it!

This is good, I say to some Coaches, "I can't hear any better than I can see".

[BretMan]

I see just enough RH batters that, with a runner on second in a steal situation, step backwards and right into the catcher's throwing lane- maybe even taking a practice swing, while totally ignoring the catcher and staring down toward third- that I almost have to think it is a coached tactic.

[EsqUmp]

If teams aren't held accountable for their incorrect actions, they will never learn. Umpires shouldn't be there to bail them out. I obviously don't agree with the codes that pretty much say to kiss the teams' a$$ and prevent everything possible.

People learn from their mistakes and they learn from them more quickly when they are held responsible for them.

When my strike zone sucks, my calls on the bases are blown and I don't know what I'm doing, why would the team want to rely on me for a rule interpretation? I would probably get that wrong too.

As my partner once told a PITA coach who asked a rules question in the middle of a game at a national tournament, "Coach, my understanding of the rules is as bad as my strike zone. You sure you want my opinion on the rule?" Whether or not that was an appropriate message, the message was sent. It didn't hurt that the coach didn't come out of the dugout for the rest of the game either.

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

I'm with SRW & Marvin on this one.
Just a habit that prevents me from making a mistake (such as position vs. Jersey #) as well as the coach.

Agree.
It's a good discipline to have. And yes it not only helps prevent the coach from making a mistake, but also us....(see bold above). Catching myself doing that a few times convinced me to be a # and name guy on changes.

[shipwreck]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

Agree.
It's a good discipline to have. And yes it not only helps prevent the coach form making a mistake, but also us....(see bold above). Catching myself doing that a few times convinced to be a # and name guy on changes.

Form making a mistake???? LOL