What do you have?

[Andy]

There is another solution to this issue....

Coach: I want to re-enter Baker
Ump: Sorry, coach, you can't do that. Baker has already used his re-entry.
Coach: I want to do it anyway.
Ump: Coach, I am not going to allow you to do that.
Coach: Re-enter Baker...Baker, get up to bat!

Ump: Coach, you're ejected. (to new head coach): did you have any legal lineup changes for me?

(Repeat as necessary)

It is considered unsportsmanlike conduct to disregard an umpires directives.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by Andy

There is another solution to this issue....

Coach: I want to re-enter Baker
Ump: Sorry, coach, you can't do that. Baker has already used his re-entry.
Coach: I want to do it anyway.
Ump: Coach, I am not going to allow you to do that.
Coach: Re-enter Baker...Baker, get up to bat!

Ump: Coach, you're ejected. (to new head coach): did you have any legal lineup changes for me?

(Repeat as necessary)

It is considered unsportsmanlike conduct to disregard an umpires directives.

But this doesn't address my last post. They are not substituting. They are just putting her in without notifying you. Now you have an unreported sub.
In ASA the umpire does not have the authority to rule on this until an appeal is made by the defense.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by rwest

But this doesn't address my last post. They are not substituting. They are just putting her in without notifying you. Now you have an unreported sub.
In ASA the umpire does not have the authority to run on this until an appeal is made by the defense.

I disagree. This is a coach violating the rules of the game after you already informed the coach the attempted re-entry was illegal. Telling a coach their actions were illegal is the same as a "warning" of the same. If you discover that player attempting to return to the game, I will probably walk over to the coach and offer a reminder of the previous conversation and the opportunity to put a legal substitute in place or play shorthanded, if that is available. If the player is already in the game........forfeiting the game is not beyond the realm of appropriate action.

And for those who want to bring in the "protest" into play, I'm not acting on 4.6.F.4, but 5.4.F. We are not talking about a "gotcha" type of rule, but a coach who, after being told his actions would be a rule violation willfully and with full intent repeated that action.

Don't want to, but this is why I stopped him/her the first time. This isn't an "oh, I forget" or "sorry, I didn't know" situation, this guy/gal blatantly cheated not only the opponent, but his own team.

[robbie]

Originally Posted by rwest

But this doesn't address my last post. They are not substituting. They are just putting her in without notifying you. Now you have an unreported sub.
In ASA the umpire does not have the authority to rule on this until an appeal is made by the defense.

I know its well documented that the original post was regarding ASA......

However, as to the above, in NSA, you do NOT need an appeal. ANYONE may point out the infraction. Including the guilty team. An unreported sub is an "illegal substitution with the penalty - IMMEDIATE EJECTION FROM THE GAME WHENEVER THE INFRACTION IS DISCIVERED."
Caps are in the book.

[Bill S]

Please look in the book before you make statements.
Page 102 is on line at the NSA web sight and it does need to be appealed.
May not be ASA, USSSA, GSA, NCAA, Federation, etc. but right or wrong, that is what it is in NSA.

Respectfully,

Bill, only Bill

[robbie]

Originally Posted by Bill S

Please look in the book before you make statements.
Page 102 is on line at the NSA web sight and it does need to be appealed.
May not be ASA, USSSA, GSA, NCAA, Federation, etc. but right or wrong, that is what it is in NSA.

Respectfully,

Bill, only Bill

Thanks for the post, but my post and quotation stands:

Page 101
Rule 4
Sec. 5
"The manager or team representative shall notify the plate umpire at the time a substitute enters the game. Failure to notify the umpire of a substitution would create an illegal substitution with the penalty - IMMEDIATE EJECTION FROM THE GAME WHENEVER THE INFRACTION IS DISCOVERED."

I was posting in reference to unreported sub as is quoted in my post:
Originally Posted by rwest
But this doesn't address my last post. They are not substituting. They are just putting her in without notifying you. Now you have an unreported sub.
In ASA the umpire does not have the authority to rule on this until an appeal is made by the defense.

The rule you site on page 102 is Rule 4 Sec. 7 which governs "illegal player."

By the way:
In youth play, with an unreported sub, you only have an ejection of the coach. No further "on field" remedy is called for, ie: there is no player ejection, no outs, etc.

[Gulf Coast Blue]

Originally Posted by Andy

There is another solution to this issue....

Coach: I want to re-enter Baker
Ump: Sorry, coach, you can't do that. Baker has already used his re-entry.
Coach: I want to do it anyway.
Ump: Coach, I am not going to allow you to do that.
Coach: Re-enter Baker...Baker, get up to bat!

Ump: Coach, you're ejected. (to new head coach): did you have any legal lineup changes for me?

(Repeat as necessary)

It is considered unsportsmanlike conduct to disregard an umpires directives.

^^^^As stated by others.....this is how I would also handle the situation. Along with the (Repeat as necessary) step.

Joel