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The customer, PLAYERS, are complaining so much that the Equipment Standards Committee was prepared to follow through with what you believe to be an unfair ban AND TAKE THE LEGAL HITS on behalf of their customer, THE PLAYERS! Luckily for ASA (and you wallet once you see the increases in registration costs it may have caused), the lawyers stepped in to avoid this possible financial fiasco. The standards are not changing, the bats are changing. If you have anything close to a dedicated hitter on your team who uses a composite bat and s/he is truthful, they will tell you one of two things: (1) their composite bat is falling apart from use and isn't worth a damn, or (2) their composite bat has more pop now than it did new. The big hitters knew this about the original Miken and made no secret of it, so why is it so hard to believe at this point? The only problem is that the bats which are getting hotter are a danger to everyone in front of that batter whether it be a defender or a base runner. Is there anyone on this board, especially non-umpires who is willing to offer their time and money to visit anyone injured by a ball off these bats and explain to them that YOU didn't think it was important to get rid of the bats about which the PLAYERS have been complaining? And when you are done, can you please stop by and pitch 100 balls to me. I'll be the guy holding the Miken Ultra II in my hands at the plate. Too many folks out there are only reading the cover to this book. Take off the wrapper and open it up with a bit of intelligence and common sense. It's not that difficult.
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I play 100 games a year. I've been playing for 14 years. I know a lot of managers and players in Cincinnati and I can tell you that the complaints arent here to the extent you imply they are coming in to the association. In Cincinnati we use .44 / 375s in leagues AND tourney play. Injuries are down. Games times and scores are down. Things are headed in the right direction. Look, I just believe that after last summer, ASA needs stability. Like it or not, players will not exempt the ASA from blame this time. If they have a ban on specific bats that fail the 2003 testing program fine, ban it. Anything else drastic can and should wait. Why arent the Associations pressuring parks to switch to the new balls for all play rather than just championship play. None of you have yet to disagree with my point that too many parks are still using .44 & .47 / 525s!! The ASA needs to make an approved material decision for 2004. If that means no composites, fine but I still submit we can wait because I believe moving ahead with arbitrary bans now will lead to a lengthily and costly court battle. You can complain about having to go thru court but the bottom line is when you accepted the mantle of being the decision maker on equipment, your interpretations will be subject to review. Thats just the country we live in. I believe if you wait, your chances of staying out of court go way up and the on-going mission still gets accomplished. Take your time and get it right. Larks |
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Now that we have the credentials out of the way... ASA went to those balls last year, that is not just a local rulte. however, the game times and scores have not gone down at all in Delaware. As the ASA State UIC, I really am nothing more than an umpire when it comes to local issues. Yet, I am the first to hear the complaints along with the county (which operates the program). The Mikens have been banned locally and what complaints do I hear now? It isn't about the Mikens being dumped, but "when are they going to outlaw the Synergy?" Quote:
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If the manufacturers weren't so damn greedy and would actually look at their product's affect on the game instead of their bank account, the game and it's participants would be much better off. And they would still make their bucks, just legitimately. As an active player, can you tell me the affect of what you consider the unpopular decision to ban the Miken UltraII has taken on USSSA or NSA? I haven't heard any complaints. [Edited by IRISHMAFIA on Jun 10th, 2003 at 11:08 AM]
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As I understand it, The Miken was not submitted to testing to the NSA or USSSA. No test = ban. I think the players pretty much know that was the case. Now the recent Synergy ban by NSA took a lot of people by surprise. Easton has announced a more than fair replacement program (2 different bats and a bat bag) for those players that dont want to wait until or if NSA and Easton settle their differences. |
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No, just the one's who cheat and sell their product under fraudulant conditions. Quote:
As I understand it, The Miken was not submitted to testing to the NSA or USSSA. No test = ban. I think the players pretty much know that was the case. Now the recent Synergy ban by NSA took a lot of people by surprise. Easton has announced a more than fair replacement program (2 different bats and a bat bag) for those players that dont want to wait until or if NSA and Easton settle their differences. [/B][/QUOTE] From what I understand from Miken is that they were told their Ultra II did not meet the new standard and a grandfather clause would not be offered. The testing was already performed on existing, previously approved bats, hence there really isn't the need to do it again, is there? Okay, I have offered all I can. Anyone out there can take it for what it's worth. Some understand, some don't, but it's not worth the argument. I will be closing this thread and will offer a new one when I receive more information on any further action by ASA.
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