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Tue May 13, 2003, 07:46am
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I prefer Abel on 3B, Baker on 2B, Charles on 1B, Edwards bats in Daniels' spot, etc.
However, one must know the alphabet, not a given these days.
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Tue May 13, 2003, 09:20am
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Able, Baker, Charles, etc is fine, but things do get confusing when we mix 'n' match baseball baserunner numbering conventions with softball.
This is a softball board. Simple as that. R1 is closest to home. R2 is next closest. R3 is always on 1B (bases loaded). Batters /substitutes/ etc. are numbered from the beginning of the situation / inning as necessary for clarity. It is annoying (and sometimes confusing) to have baseball numbering used here. New posters or visitors from baseball-land can be forgiven. Stubborn old hands... well, we'll forgive you too, so long as you put up with some grumbling / correction! 
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Tue May 13, 2003, 01:18pm
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Getting back to the topic
, neither the NFHS or ASA book prescribe anything about how a live ball appeal is made other than having the ball in their possession and tagging the base or runner. So nothing needs to be said or signaled for the umpire to react to a live ball appeal and make the call. For comparison, if a fielder catches a throw or fields a batted ball, falls down in the process and accidentally tags the runner, the runner is out.
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Tue May 13, 2003, 01:40pm
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In ASA (and in Fed, too, I'm sure), if a runner leaves 2B too soon on a fly to the outfield, and the throw comes in to F4, and as F4 walks in toward the pitcher, he happens to step on 2B without appealing to the umpire, the umpire does NOT call the runner out. The defense must appeal to the umpire that the runner left too soon.
Of course, if the runner's leaving too soon was obvious and everybody in the park knows the play is an appeal, nobody has to verbalize anything to the umpire.
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Tue May 13, 2003, 03:50pm
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Now, the classic live ball appeal for leaving early on a caught fly ball, the fielder makes an unambiguous throw to an empty base, or a throw to a base to which a runner is retreating. This act constitutes the "request" required by the definition, since there is no other reason for the play. However, if the fielder's actions are ambiguous, (see the discussion on "accidental appeals" in the thread "tagging up..hypothetical.. ") then the fielder must do or say something to make the request. The onus is on the defense to recognize the missed base or base left too soon, and to appeal it. They can't just stumble into the correct actions. Tagging a runner while off base during a live ball is always an out, so that example doesn't compare.
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