Passing a runner

alwaysask · #1 (**permalink**) Tue May 06, 2003, 07:01am

I know that in ASA if R1 physially passes R2, then R1 is out. Whats the call in other orgs (AFA, USSSA, Fed,..)

Smiley · #2 (**permalink**) Tue May 06, 2003, 07:28am

In NF, R1 is the lead runner. If R2 passes R1, R2 is out.

CecilOne · #3 (**permalink**) Tue May 06, 2003, 08:29am

Every rule set that I know about calls it that way.

Skahtboi · #4 (**permalink**) Tue May 06, 2003, 04:14pm

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Originally posted by CecilOne
Every rule set that I know about calls it that way.

Ditto!

Scott

Rick Vietti · #5 (**permalink**) Wed May 07, 2003, 12:03am

Another question on that.
R1 on first. BR passes R1 who is coming back to first base after a hit ball.

BR is out immediately upon passing R1. Does that remove the force play?

IRISHMAFIA · #6 (**permalink**) Wed May 07, 2003, 06:14am

Quote:

Originally posted by Rick Vietti
Another question on that.
R1 on first. BR passes R1 who is coming back to first base after a hit ball.

BR is out immediately upon passing R1. Does that remove the force play?

Speaking ASA

To the best of my knowledge, yes, it removes the force play. There is no caveat listed to cover this as there is with the BR removing a helmet in JO ball.

alwaysask · #7 (**permalink**) Wed May 07, 2003, 06:21am

How about this - R1 on 1st, B1 hita a high fly ball and passes R1 before the catch. B1 out on passing, does R1 still have to tag up?

Tap · #8 (**permalink**) Wed May 07, 2003, 07:49am

While the force is now off, the runner still needs to tag up on a caught fly ball, just as if she was at 2nd base or 3rd base.

Dakota · #9 (**permalink**) Fri May 09, 2003, 07:01pm

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Originally posted by alwaysask
How about this - R1 on 1st, B1 hita a high fly ball and passes R1 before the catch. B1 out on passing, does R1 still have to tag up?

Yes, just like runners would need to tag up on a caught infield fly.

greymule · #10 (**permalink**) Fri May 09, 2003, 09:59pm

In ASA, the moment the batter is put out, all force plays are removed. Also, the moment a following running is put out, the force is removed on all preceding runners.

(This is not as simple as it sounds. It does not always hold, for example, in OBR. The difference can affect whether appeal plays on missed bases are force plays.)

Of course, runners still have to tag up on fly balls, even if the batter-runner passes someone on the basepaths before the ball is caught.