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whiskers_ump Mon Apr 28, 2003 07:25pm

Mike,

A rare disagreement here http://www.mansun-nl.com/smilies/eek2.gif,
but I agree with Mick. I see tape on an ear, I always
ask what is under there.
FED is pretty clear on what is to be taped and what not.

glen

mick Mon Apr 28, 2003 07:32pm

Not a problem.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA
If something is covered by anything, it is not exposed. Therefore, not subject to your inspection.


Mike,
I don't inspect.
I only ask, "What's under the tape?"
If they say "Jewelry", it's gone.
No fuss.
No muss.
They know the rules. ;)
mick



IRISHMAFIA Mon Apr 28, 2003 08:07pm

Quote:

Originally posted by whiskers_ump
Mike,

A rare disagreement here http://www.mansun-nl.com/smilies/eek2.gif,
but I agree with Mick. I see tape on an ear, I always
ask what is under there.
FED is pretty clear on what is to be taped and what not.

glen

Glen,

I've been quite specific to note that my responses are based on ASA.

ASA does not forbid jewelry unless the umpire considers it dangerous. One, I do not rule on what I cannot see and two, if the piece is small enough to be covered by tape, I will most likely question is danger to others.


IRISHMAFIA Mon Apr 28, 2003 08:15pm

Re: Not a problem.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by mick
Quote:

Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA
If something is covered by anything, it is not exposed. Therefore, not subject to your inspection.


Mike,
I don't inspect.
I only ask, "What's under the tape?"
If they say "Jewelry", it's gone.
No fuss.
No muss.
They know the rules. ;)
mick



And if they decline to answer?

Again, speaking ASA. From the 2003 ASA Umpire Clinic Guide:

JEWELRY (Rule 3, Section 6 F)

Exposed jewelry may not be worn by the players if deemed dangerous by the umpire. When a player refuses to remove the jewelry, after being requested to do so by the umpire, the player will not be allowed to play. If a player and the jewelry is removed, the player can re-enter under the re-entry. Jewelry that is out of sight (taped or under uniform or batting glove) does not have the be removed if not considered dangerous.

NOTE: Medical alert bracelets or necklaces are not considered jewelry, but if worn, they must be taped to the body so the medical information remains visible.


It seems that if a taped piece of jewelry was dangerous, that fact would be obvious without asking what is under the tape. Therefore, if you need to ask......


mick Mon Apr 28, 2003 08:18pm

Quote:

Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA
Quote:

Originally posted by whiskers_ump
Mike,

A rare disagreement here http://www.mansun-nl.com/smilies/eek2.gif,
but I agree with Mick. I see tape on an ear, I always
ask what is under there.
FED is pretty clear on what is to be taped and what not.

glen

Glen,

I've been quite specific to note that my responses are based on ASA.

ASA does not forbid jewelry unless the umpire considers it dangerous. One, I do not rule on what I cannot see and two, if the piece is small enough to be covered by tape, I will most likely question is danger to others.


Mike,
When I work ASA fast pitch, (and I think you alluded to this) if the player is wearing it, it seems quite legal to me, also.
...And in those games, I don't even think about tape.
Take care.
mick

mick Mon Apr 28, 2003 08:27pm

Re: Re: Not a problem.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA


It seems that if a taped piece of jewelry was dangerous, that fact would be obvious without asking what is under the tape. Therefore, if you need to ask......


Mike,
Obviousness isn't always the case.

Barrettes are illegal, so sometimes the players wear tape instead of the scrunchies or hair elastics that they forgot.
Rings are illegal, but tape or a bandaid can cover an owey.

And if they tell an untruth, I'm covered. ...Did my job.
mick

IRISHMAFIA Mon Apr 28, 2003 08:44pm

Re: Re: Re: Not a problem.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by mick
Quote:

Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA


It seems that if a taped piece of jewelry was dangerous, that fact would be obvious without asking what is under the tape. Therefore, if you need to ask......


Mike,
Obviousness isn't always the case.

Barrettes are illegal, so sometimes the players wear tape instead of the scrunchies or hair elastics that they forgot.
Rings are illegal, but tape or a bandaid can cover an owey.

And if they tell an untruth, I'm covered. ...Did my job.
mick

Mick,

Barrettes are not illegal. Rings are not illegal. What is an owey?


IRISHMAFIA Mon Apr 28, 2003 08:44pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Not a problem.
 
Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA
[B]
Quote:

Originally posted by mick
Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA


It seems that if a taped piece of jewelry was dangerous, that fact would be obvious without asking what is under the tape. Therefore, if you need to ask......



Mike,
Obviousness isn't always the case.

Barrettes are illegal, so sometimes the players wear tape instead of the scrunchies or hair elastics that they forgot.
Rings are illegal, but tape or a bandaid can cover an owey.

And if they tell an untruth, I'm covered. ...Did my job.
mick

Mick,

Still speaking ASA.

Barrettes are not illegal. Rings are not illegal. What is an owey?



[Edited by IRISHMAFIA on Apr 28th, 2003 at 08:47 PM]

mick Mon Apr 28, 2003 09:00pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Not a problem.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA
What is an owey?


An Owey? That's like a booboo. ...An ouchy... in all leagues. :)


chris s Tue Apr 29, 2003 02:28pm

DANG, did I open up a can of worms! Preventive officiating is the deal here.I do not work softball, enjot the hell outa watching mine play! We took a 5-3 game to 7 last nite, ended up loosing, 6-4. Girls were *****ing bout the ump(he's my assignor, worked PONY BRONCO SERIES), I stepped in with the coaches and we had a discussion. All game long, I am " see ball, HIT ball" Hey, they did not wanna get the bat off thier shoulders. D was great, couldn't hit.....oh well... Thanks for comments.....


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