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NCASAUmp Thu Nov 17, 2011 08:51am
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Originally Posted by Dakota (Post 798936)
While I assumed this was a slow pitch only change, the OP did not state such.
Yeah, some of the listed changes didn't make much sense until I cross-listed them with the list of proposed changes.

IRISHMAFIA Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:51pm
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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 798937)
Yeah, some of the listed changes didn't make much sense until I cross-listed them with the list of proposed changes.
Imagine that, someone thinking and doing a little leg work! :D

NCASAUmp Thu Nov 17, 2011 01:06pm
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 798961)
Imagine that, someone thinking and doing a little leg work! :D
Absolutely! Didn't want to ask a question if I already had the answer at my disposal. Which is why I asked about the "safety grip region."

IF (and that's a big IF) that's the actual wording, then I read it to mean that players can add Tack 'Em and pine tar up to (but no more than) 15" from the safety knob. That is, after all, the defined safety grip region.

Maybe it was inadvertent, but that's what I see and how I read it.

IRISHMAFIA Thu Nov 17, 2011 07:17pm
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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 798962)
Absolutely! Didn't want to ask a question if I already had the answer at my disposal. Which is why I asked about the "safety grip region."

IF (and that's a big IF) that's the actual wording, then I read it to mean that players can add Tack 'Em and pine tar up to (but no more than) 15" from the safety knob. That is, after all, the defined safety grip region.

Maybe it was inadvertent, but that's what I see and how I read it.
Well, that is why members of the staff meet afterwards to review wording to make sure the change fits and states what it is supposed to mean. But as you have seen in the past, even though they try, it doesn't always work that way.

NCASAUmp Fri Nov 18, 2011 02:59pm
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 799008)
Well, that is why members of the staff meet afterwards to review wording to make sure the change fits and states what it is supposed to mean. But as you have seen in the past, even though they try, it doesn't always work that way.
And... speaking of!

ASA JUST released the 2012 rule changes on their website. I think the final verbiage has been written.

http://downloads.asasoftball.com/abo...20Comments.pdf

It appears that they again use the phrase "grip region." I interpret that to mean that players can put adhesive substances up to 15" from the safety knob, even where there is no safety grip present.

IRISHMAFIA Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:12am
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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 799161)
And... speaking of!

ASA JUST released the 2012 rule changes on their website. I think the final verbiage has been written.

http://downloads.asasoftball.com/abo...20Comments.pdf

It appears that they again use the phrase "grip region." I interpret that to mean that players can put adhesive substances up to 15" from the safety knob, even where there is no safety grip present.
The word "safety" no longer appears in this rule, so there may be another way this can be viewed.

A permissible "grip" must be added to the handle region of the bat with no exposed metal, wood, composite, etc. being exposed. The owner has the option of applying that grip in a range of 6" to 15".

However, the "grip region" could only be that which the owner has elected to cover. And since there shall be no exposed areas where the grip is applied, any exposed areas not covered by the grip is simply part of the handle region to which an adhesive is not permitted.

Not saying that is the case, just another way this rule can be viewed.

NCASAUmp Sat Nov 19, 2011 08:46pm
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 799229)
The word "safety" no longer appears in this rule, so there may be another way this can be viewed.

A permissible "grip" must be added to the handle region of the bat with no exposed metal, wood, composite, etc. being exposed. The owner has the option of applying that grip in a range of 6" to 15".

However, the "grip region" could only be that which the owner has elected to cover. And since there shall be no exposed areas where the grip is applied, any exposed areas not covered by the grip is simply part of the handle region to which an adhesive is not permitted.

Not saying that is the case, just another way this rule can be viewed.
And I'd say that your interpretation would be equally valid.

Maybe we could get some clarification from higher up, now that the final wording has been published?

IRISHMAFIA Sat Nov 19, 2011 09:25pm
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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 799272)
And I'd say that your interpretation would be equally valid.

Maybe we could get some clarification from higher up, now that the final wording has been published?
Already asked. Don't know if I will get an answer, but the question has been asked.


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