Proposed ASA Rule & Code Changes Available

[IRISHMAFIA]

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[AtlUmpSteve]

Of all of the rule change proposals, I believe the most ludicrous come from the former NUS member, Phil Gutierrez.

I reject completely the notion that a base ball on balls constitutes a base award for anyone OTHER than the batter. The batter is awarded first, other runners advance solely on the basis of being forced by the batter becoming a batter-runner, they have acquired no special award on their part, just the opportunity to advance without jeopardy. If a trailing runner is put out after passing the forced base they can reach without jeopardy, then just like every other similar play, that removes the force on advance runner!! If the third out is made before the lead runner touches the plate, it is a timing play; because there is no force any longer!!

Removing base running responsibilities in order to celebrate is equally absurd.

Faulty logic, poor thought process, in my opinion.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

Of all of the rule change proposals, I believe the most ludicrous come from the former NUS member, Phil Gutierrez.

I reject completely the notion that a base ball on balls constitutes a base award for anyone OTHER than the batter. The batter is awarded first, other runners advance solely on the basis of being forced by the batter becoming a batter-runner, they have acquired no special award on their part, just the opportunity to advance without jeopardy. If a trailing runner is put out after passing the forced base they can reach without jeopardy, then just like every other similar play, that removes the force on advance runner!! If the third out is made before the lead runner touches the plate, it is a timing play; because there is no force any longer!!

Removing base running responsibilities in order to celebrate is equally absurd.

Faulty logic, poor thought process, in my opinion.

Seems a lot of "because" exceptions this year. Beside the one above, the reason for changing the batter's box is equally absurd.

[BretMan]

The SP batter's box thing is strange- Let's change the rule because they always break it anyhow. And didn't they change the box to 4 X 7 a few years ago, only to immediately make an "emergency rule change" to change it right back?

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by BretMan

The SP batter's box thing is strange- Let's change the rule because they always break it anyhow. And didn't they change the box to 4 X 7 a few years ago, only to immediately make an "emergency rule change" to change it right back?

Agreed. How about making sure umpires do their jobs instead? If we all enforce that rule, it won't be a surprise for the players.

I also am curious to know how Item 18 would work, in particular with Class E. How can you have a 0 HR limit, AND "one up?"

And with respect to 19 and 22, if they do reduce the number of HRs to 0, I predict Class E completely going away.

I can't see #30 passing, as it would completely run off coed teams from ASA.

#37 - That language used to be in the book. What happened to it? I do predict some conflicts in the enforcement of that rule, since there are some (rare) circumstances where the offending team DOES somehow benefit from breaking a rule. I also predict some coaches attempting to use this rule to justify making calls that deviate from the rest of the playing rules, claiming that not doing so would create some sort of an "advantage."

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

And with respect to 19 and 22, if they do reduce the number of HRs to 0, I predict Class E completely going away.

And this would be bad how?

#37 - That language used to be in the book. What happened to it? I do predict some conflicts in the enforcement of that rule, since there are some (rare) circumstances where the offending team DOES somehow benefit from breaking a rule. I also predict some coaches attempting to use this rule to justify making calls that deviate from the rest of the playing rules, claiming that not doing so would create some sort of an "advantage."

Yep, can see that happening.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

And this would be bad how?

It wouldn't, so long as the sandbagging can be helped some. If not, well...

As much as we don't like to admit it, we have to look to some of our competitors, and they have thriving "E" classifications. Question is: why?

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Yep, can see that happening.

Do you know if that's why that verbiage was removed to begin with? Seems like a reasonable explanation to me.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

It wouldn't, so long as the sandbagging can be helped some. If not, well...

As much as we don't like to admit it, we have to look to some of our competitors, and they have thriving "E" classifications. Question is: why?

Because they allow teams to determine classification

Do you know if that's why that verbiage was removed to begin with? Seems like a reasonable explanation to me.

Probably because somewhere along the way it was determined unnecessary. I don't know of many circumstances where enforcing a rule properly would prove positive for the offender. And remember, we are not talking would've, could've, should've here and that is where I see this going.

I can see this becoming an issue every time there in INT and the defense subsequently turns a double play. Pretty soon every call will be a DDB with a manager's option. That may be good for a neighborhood whiffle ball game, but, IMO, not for the game of organized softball.

[Zepp]

Item #27 proposes that pitching regulations of Mens and Women/JO Olympic
be unified in Rule 6-3. (Add Women/JO to H & L and eliminate sub-sections I & K)

a)This obviously would eliminate the "leaping" scenario of Women/JO Olympic
as long as the pivot foot toe is pointed downward when both feet are airborne.
(possibly eliminate some of the chirping from coaches?)

b) If Women/JO are added to sub-section H, this would eliminate the section
which indicates that the step must be within the 24-inch length of the pitching plate. (is this good? bad? no big deal?)

Just curious as to some opinions on this proposal.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Zepp

a)This obviously would eliminate the "leaping" scenario of Women/JO Olympic
as long as the pivot foot toe is pointed downward when both feet are airborne.
(possibly eliminate some of the chirping from coaches?)

This was a proposal last year that was shot down. I had a discussion with the NCAA Rep in Shreveport and was told this would be a question offered to the coaches and rules committee. Also said that they (NCAA) was studying the effect the change would have on the female since the anatomy of men and women. I suggested that not be repeated to loud or s/he would end up the target of hate mail and scoldings as I was when I made a similar statement on this board a couple years ago.

b) If Women/JO are added to sub-section H, this would eliminate the section
which indicates that the step must be within the 24-inch length of the pitching plate. (is this good? bad? no big deal?)

I don't think this would be changed unless it was dropped in the NCAA & HS. The author of the proposal may not have realized this also changed the pitching lane rule and we may se an admendment before it goes to committee.

I think if it is dropped, the NCAA will end up with more IP issues as time goes by and pitching styles change in youth ball and, like the taught IPs, it will climb the ladder into the NCAA and we will experience either a change or another debacle as we saw in the 2010 season.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

......The author of the proposal may not have realized this also changed the pitching lane rule and we may se an admendment before it goes to committee...

I think it is unlikely this was not realized by the author, since H and I are identical except for the 24 inch requirement. An amendment, therefore, would be merely to leave things as they are for H and I.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Zepp

Item #27 proposes that pitching regulations of Mens and Women/JO Olympic
be unified in Rule 6-3. (Add Women/JO to H & L and eliminate sub-sections I & K)

a)This obviously would eliminate the "leaping" scenario of Women/JO Olympic
as long as the pivot foot toe is pointed downward when both feet are airborne.
(possibly eliminate some of the chirping from coaches?)

b) If Women/JO are added to sub-section H, this would eliminate the section
which indicates that the step must be within the 24-inch length of the pitching plate. (is this good? bad? no big deal?)

Just curious as to some opinions on this proposal.

Speaking from the perspective of the everyday youth FP (i.e. not the elite levels of fastpitch), something needs to be done to simplify the pitching rules so they can be consistently understood, recognized, and applied. I'm not sure whether these proposals help or hurt that, since it takes the leap out of the picture (one of the easiest footwork violations to see) and places everything on the second point of impetus, one of the more difficult to see in real time.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

I think it is unlikely this was not realized by the author, since H and I are identical except for the 24 inch requirement. An amendment, therefore, would be merely to leave things as they are for H and I.

You would be shocked what is missed when changes are proposed. After all, look how long it took for someone to catch the two-out, no one on 1B on a U3K situation. Remember, just because there is a name attached to the proposal doesn't mean they are the author of the change.

[3afan]

do we really want to check what coaches are wearing on their feet??? (item 13)

[okla21fan]

remember, I asked one of your coaches to 'wear his ball cap properly' once. I'd do the same if he should up in cowboy boots

(btw, when are you coming back to Texas....we need ya!!!!!)

Originally Posted by 3afan

do we really want to check what coaches are wearing on their feet??? (item 13)