Asa 8.5.i.2

Far far away .. · #1 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 31, 2011, 12:08pm

Seeking clarification:

This clause says 2 base award for fair batted ball that "Deflects off the defensive player and goes out of play".

Does that include a ball that's deflected over the fence in fair territory?

The particular sitch is a fly ball dropping over fence for a home run, fielder makes contact with a glove but doesn't catch ball and it continues over the fence.

NCASAUmp · #2 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 31, 2011, 12:18pm

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Originally Posted by Far far away ..

Seeking clarification:

This clause says 2 base award for fair batted ball that "Deflects off the defensive player and goes out of play".

Does that include a ball that's deflected over the fence in fair territory?

The particular sitch is a fly ball dropping over fence for a home run, fielder makes contact with a glove but doesn't catch ball and it continues over the fence.

What you describe would be a 4-base award.

Far far away .. · #3 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 31, 2011, 12:21pm

I also do some games under ISF rule set and it tallies with your reply, saying explicitly "Goes directly off the fielders glove or body and over the fence in fair territory ..."

However I saw a game recently (played under ASA) where this sitch resulted in 2 bases. My instinct at the time was "oops".

AtlUmpSteve · #4 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 31, 2011, 12:50pm

8.5.H ... "leaves the playing field in fair territory without touching the ground or going through the fence." EFFECT: The batter-runner shall be entitled to a home run.

As this does not eliminate a deflected ball which doesn't touch the ground, it would include it.

NCASAUmp · #5 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 31, 2011, 01:10pm

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Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

8.5.H ... "leaves the playing field in fair territory without touching the ground or going through the fence." EFFECT: The batter-runner shall be entitled to a home run.

As this does not eliminate a deflected ball which doesn't touch the ground, it would include it.

Steve, I'm not sure I'm understanding what you're saying here. Are you saying that if a batter hits a fly ball near the fence that deflects off of the fielder and goes over the home run fence in fair territory before touching the ground, you would call that a home run?

AtlUmpSteve · #6 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 31, 2011, 01:41pm

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Steve, I'm not sure I'm understanding what you're saying here. Are you saying that if a batter hits a fly ball near the fence that deflects off of the fielder and goes over the home run fence in fair territory before touching the ground, you would call that a home run?

That is what the rule book calls it. More recently called the Canseco Rule in baseball.

Remember, it is only because of home run limits and the absolute certainty that outfielders would intentionally bobble fly balls with bases empty over the fence that slow pitch (ONLY) has an exception to call that a four base award.

DeputyUICHousto · #7 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 31, 2011, 03:24pm

4 base error.

NCASAUmp · #8 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 31, 2011, 03:29pm

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Originally Posted by DeputyUICHousto

4 base error.

ASA does not use that term with respect to an official's ruling. That'd be up to the scorekeeper to mark it in the book that way, but that's their choice, not mine.

USSSA, however, uses those terms interchangeably in their rule book.

IRISHMAFIA · #9 (**permalink**) Wed Aug 31, 2011, 06:31pm

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Originally Posted by DeputyUICHousto

4 base error.

Been hanging out with too many AA.

It is a four-base award. While it meets the qualifications of a "home run" in 8.5.H, RS #26 separates the two.