One for the rooks!

IRISHMAFIA · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Mar 31, 2003, 06:36pm

ASA SP Game

Bottom 7th, tying run on 3B, 2 outs and the batter has a 2-2 count.

The pitch is ruled illegal by PU, but batter offers at and tops the pitch. The ball rolls in four territory near the first base line. F3 figures it is a foul ball and heads for the dugout while B4 heads toward 1B and R1 scores.

F1 notices the topspin is bringing the ball back toward the line and throws his glove and hits the ball to keep it from entering fair territory.

What's the call??????

greymule · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Mar 31, 2003, 07:45pm

Foul ball. In ASA you can throw your glove at and hit a foul ball. There is no penalty.

whiskers_ump · #3 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 01, 2003, 12:12am

greymule,

You are no rook, and Mike said for rooks.

{Even if in the umpires judgement that the ball
could have gone fair?}

glen

[Edited by whiskers_ump on Mar 31st, 2003 at 11:14 PM]

greymule · #4 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 01, 2003, 07:46am

Sorry. I play chess and thought of "rook" simply in those terms. I admit I was wondering about "rook" in the context of softball.

woolnojg · #5 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 01, 2003, 09:46am

Wouldn't the illegal pitch decision result in the ball being dead and a ball added to the count???

Second thought, is this not a balk with a runner on? Runner from 3rd scores and game is over?

[Edited by woolnojg on Apr 1st, 2003 at 08:49 AM]

ChampaignBlue · #6 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 01, 2003, 11:42am

Quote:

Originally posted by woolnojg
Wouldn't the illegal pitch decision result in the ball being dead and a ball added to the count???

Second thought, is this not a balk with a runner on? Runner from 3rd scores and game is over?

[Edited by woolnojg on Apr 1st, 2003 at 08:49 AM]

Mike specified Slow Pitch (SP). In SP it's a ball if the batter does nothing but a swing means that whatever happens, happens. I didn't register the SP at first either. Jim

IRISHMAFIA · #7 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 01, 2003, 12:50pm

Quote:

Originally posted by woolnojg
Wouldn't the illegal pitch decision result in the ball being dead and a ball added to the count???

Second thought, is this not a balk with a runner on? Runner from 3rd scores and game is over?

[Edited by woolnojg on Apr 1st, 2003 at 08:49 AM]

BALK!!! What the hell is a balk? Who left the gate to the Baseball board open?

How many times I've I told you about that?

There is no such thing as a "balk" in ANY discipline of softball and a released illegal pitch is not a dead ball.

IRISHMAFIA · #8 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 01, 2003, 12:57pm

Quote:

Originally posted by ChampaignBlue

Quote:

Originally posted by woolnojg
Wouldn't the illegal pitch decision result in the ball being dead and a ball added to the count???

Second thought, is this not a balk with a runner on? Runner from 3rd scores and game is over?

[Edited by woolnojg on Apr 1st, 2003 at 08:49 AM]

Mike specified Slow Pitch (SP). In SP it's a ball if the batter does nothing but a swing means that whatever happens, happens. I didn't register the SP at first either. Jim

Okay, for all you folks out there who are afraid of SP,

offer a ruling if this were FP.

greymule · #9 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 01, 2003, 01:38pm

OK, I know. The answer is, uh . . . Rook to Bishop four.

Dakota · #10 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 01, 2003, 03:10pm

Quote:

Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA
Okay, for all you folks out there who are afraid of SP, offer a ruling if this were FP.

Nice use of gifs, Mike!

Ditto on your balk rant.

Now, as to the FP call, are you still wanting rookies to go first?
Or, as Arnold Horshack would say... Ooooo, Ooooo, Ooooo

Roger Greene · #11 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 01, 2003, 03:20pm

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Okay, for all you folks out there who are afraid of SP,

offer a ruling if this were FP.

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I don't know slow pitch, but would be suprised if there was a major difference on this.

Roger Greene

IRISHMAFIA · #12 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 01, 2003, 03:44pm

Okay, I was hoping to "out" some of the lurkers and get more people involved, but they've had 24 hours, open forum!

greymule · #13 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 01, 2003, 04:51pm

In FP, the illegal pitch is nullified only if the batter and all runners advance at least one base. Since that didn't happen here, the coach gets his (in this case obvious) choice of the play (foul ball) or the illegal pitch (ball on the batter and runner from 3B advances to home).

whiskers_ump · #14 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 01, 2003, 09:06pm

I agree with greymule on the FP ruling. Don't know diddly
about SP. I would think if a fielder used detached equipment
to keep a ball from becoming fair, there would be some penalty.

Go easy on my last remark Mike.

glen

Roger Greene · #15 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 01, 2003, 09:41pm

Glenn & Grey,
Go read Fed 8-3-3b.1(c) and see if that changes your mind.

I'd think ASA wood be similar.

Roger Greene
(Score the run, place the BR on 3rd unless the offensive coach is dumber than dirt.)

Edit: That is an old cite. The new cite should be 8-4-3f,
and as re-worded in 2002 may have changed the rule.

[Edited by Roger Greene on Apr 1st, 2003 at 09:06 PM]