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Sat Feb 15, 2003, 02:45pm
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Most umpires state emphatically that all tag calls at home plate belong to the BU, even after having a call at 3B. The FED mechanics (and I assume all) are very specific about the path the PU takes to 3B and the return path to take a runner home.
I am not sure of that. If I (BU) am at 3B for a call (say runner stole 2B and went to 3B on a throw into the outfield), and the ball gets past F5 then I am in trouble. I may have a 12' head start, but I am not going to beat that 16 year old to home plate. Thus I will be chasing the play - not a position any umpire wants to be in. My partner and I work such that if BU goes to 3B, then BU comes to pitcher's plate. From there he is in a much better position to go to home should the ball get away at 3B. What say you? WMB 
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Sat Feb 15, 2003, 05:09pm
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Often my partner and I agree on that mechanic before the game. We'll often also agree that PU takes the tag-back at 1B. I don't see anything wrong with BU covering home with BU at 3B, especially when BU has no other responsibilities.
But even with that mechanic, I don't think I can remember a play in which BU had to make a call at home.
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Sat Feb 15, 2003, 08:57pm
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"Most umpires state emphatically that all tag calls at home plate belong to the BU, even after having a call at 3B." By you {PU}being 12 to 15 feet ahead, you are still going to be in position to make the call. That is why when you left for the coverage, you get inside if indeed there is a play and should ball get away then you are out of the way and should have good angle and be close enough for the call. JMO glen
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Sat Feb 15, 2003, 09:48pm
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It's called
And I proofed that message before posting and still missed the typo.
Yes, I am 12' closer to home, but that's 12' out of 60' or 20%. That runner is going to pop up and be heading to home and will get some of that 12' back before I even start to react. After that it is a foot race and she has 46 years and 140 lb advantage on me and there is no way I win that. As I said, I don't want to get in a position of chasing a runner. I prefer to KNOW that my partner only has to take a few steps from the pitcher's plate to cover me. WMB
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Sun Feb 16, 2003, 01:23pm
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The philosophy I've always umpired by is:
"If you deviate, communicate" Taught to me by many ASA clinicians.
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Sun Feb 16, 2003, 11:14pm
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Elaine,
So true, communications sloves a lot of problems. However, I hope it was discussed prior to the game.  glen
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glen _______________________________ "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." --Mark Twain.
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Mon Feb 17, 2003, 12:26am
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Don't need to communicate; that is the way my partner and I work(As I stated in the initial message). I KNOW that when I go to 3B that he will have my backside covered.
Having a steady partner (who is both a neighbor and friend) has made umpiring much more enjoyable. Whether we are BU or PU we always know where each other is at and we are always backing each other up. There have been several incidents where one of us was out of position and we immediately point to the other and get a call. Coaches have complemented us after a game on our teamwork; never had a coach complain ("that's YOUR call, Blue!) when we transferred a call. WMB
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Mon Feb 17, 2003, 09:18am
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West Michigan--- you're a lucky ump !!
It is great working with a partner in such a way that you truly work as a team-- on the other hand there isn't much worse than having a "partner" who doesn't communicate and move to proper positions and lets you "hang out to dry" !! We started high school softball last week -- have a great season !
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Mon Feb 17, 2003, 01:01pm
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The best part was that the third base coach was watching me, and seeing that I was not running to get postion on the play at the plate, was ready to lay into me for being out of position if an "out" call was made. When my partner made the call, it completely caught the coach off guard and he just stood there unable to speak! I don't have a problem with using this mechanic, just make sure you pregame it or communicate with your partner. One thing that I learned at the National School this year is not to rely on what you hear, but to visually confirm that your partner is doing what s/he says. If you hear "I've got third!" take a quick look to make sure.
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Mon Feb 17, 2003, 02:28pm
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Must agree with West Michigan Blue. For all High School games and most ASA, D2 and D3 college games, my wife and I work together and rarely ever have a problem. Despite us being married we have a lot of fun
 . However, we communicate constantly even on the most routine stuff.When we are assigned D1 games, we are expected to communicate on the field....Even on the most basic simple play. It looks good, gives the coaches the impression that we are on the ball, and provides confidence for each of us. My point I guess is this, you should communicate with your partners even if you work with them regularly. Soon it will become habit and will save you that 1 time you are with a stranger and all hell breaks loose.
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Mon Feb 17, 2003, 06:51pm
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kellerumps,
*Yeppers* as a friend of mine says. Could not agree more.  , About the only time we work with the same partner here in East Texas, is during tournaments when working two on, one off. Usually work three games a week regularly scheduled games and might see the same guy twice in that time period. Not very often. glen
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