Had this happen to another umpire crew this past weekend.
 

What would you do?

Bottom of 7th and home team down by one run. Runner on 2nd base with one out. Batter hits a high pop fly to the short stop. Umpire calls "infield fly, batter out!" Batted ball is not caught. Batter, assuming he is out doesn't run but does not enter dugout. Ball is returned to the pitcher. Umpires realize their mistake and get together to talk.

What would you do in this situation? I'll tell you what happened later.

Put the batter-runner on 1B (even if the BR had entered the dugout). Leave R1 on 2B. Explain the mistake and the resolution to the coaches.

I'd guess the resolution was more "interesting" than that? :)

Place the batter at 1st and be ready to eat a lot of crap from the defensive coach.

Agree...on both comments.

"Coach, the purpose of the IFR is to protect the offense from a cheap double play, not provide a gift out to the defense that they cannot execute well enough to earn." {end of crap from DC}

It is the responsability of each player and coach to be aware of the IFR. Just because umpires either fail to call the IFR when in effect, or call the IFR in error when it is not in effect makes no difference. Keep the ball live and play on.

This.

I would agree...
 

put the batter at 1st base, leave the runner at second and play on.

Unfortunately, in this case the umpire crew called a "mulligan" and allowed the batter to bat again. He promptly hit a two run walk-off home run.

OUCH!!!

It makes a lot of difference. Failure to call IF is one thing, which must be rectified, but to call IF when it does NOT apply puts the offense in jeopardy. The correct call is to put the BR on 1st and keep the runner on second. But to do what you say is leading to a protestable situation.

OUCH is right!!!!!:eek:

I can't believe nobody questioned this "resolution"??????:confused:

Yes...because well-reasoned and logical explanations always put an end to any arguments from a ticked-off coach who is arguing about something he shouldn't be arguing about in the first place! :D

I know what youi mean!!:rolleyes:

Well, if it doesn't, then maybe he hears about how the game ended from his assistant! ;)

you can't unring a bell.

What bell would that be?

Uh huh
 

If you're referring to the fact that the batter runner is already called out by the umpire on the phantom infield fly you're wrong. If you leave that the way called you now have a protestable situation. You cannot call infield fly with a single runner on base. That's a misapplication of the rule and thereby protestable. Since the ball was not caught you can only put the batter at 1b.

I assume you're replying to shag.

yes, on a no IFF situation, then must apply rule 10, since an IFF can't be called.

if it's IFF situation, and umpires ring out the IFF, it's rung, and can't be unrung.

I read about no phantom IFF. OP got a fielder dropping the ball after umpires rung the IFF bell, and tried to unring that bell after the fielder dropped the ball. where is this phantom?

Original post:

Huh?
 

En Ingles por favor!!!

oh! okay.

then apply rule 10. no bell can be rung.

Not only CAN it be unrung, but you are REQUIRED to unring it. What, exactly, are you calling the batter out for? What rule do you use to justify you incorrectly and in contradiction to the rules calling him out and leaving him out?

Example - runner stealing 2nd on ball 4 - you don't see the ball call and yell, "OUT!" Everyone else knows it was a walk, and runner stays on 2nd. What do you do? "Sorry coach - I called her out. I can't unring that. She's out."

if umpires call IFF on an IFF, then it's a rung bell.

your other example is NOT an IFF situation.

Absolutely correct. Anyone who thinks it isn't is going to have a good time working the end of the protested game for free.

Neither is the OP.

making calls on situations that don't apply requires spot on rule 10 fix.

I didn't read that OP correctly initially.

True, but we DO have rules and interps that exactly cover this situation. If you use Rule 10 more than once every 10 years or so, you're overusing it and making it a crutch for your lack of rules knowledge. Rule 10 lets you do what is right when an airplane crashes into the CF fence during a play ... or when play ends and you somehow have 5 runners on 3 bases and no one can find the ball.

Obviously, considering that the ENTIRE POINT of this conversation was how to handle a situation where an umpire calls IFF in a non-IFF situation.

the rule 10 fix is just what it is, used often or not.

it's rare to have both partners brain fart. partners come in all shapes and sizes. if a partner needs a fix, I just help out, not pontificate the fix, and I would expect the same if I wee in a bind.

I would agree, working solo, something is wrong if invoked too often. I'm not going to insist and justify any frequency. I'll leave that to offenders and pretenders.

I read carelessly when the situation can be explained so simply. I loathe long explanations.

slightly off topic here.......If the IFF rule is to protect the offense from a cheap double play how come its not in effect when there is less then two outs with single runner on 1st base?

Because the BR will likely beat the double play attempt.

Because the odds of getting a double play in that case would be if the BR fails to or delays his/her advancement to 1B. The runners need to stay on or near the base or be subject to being doubled off. That possibility does not exist with the BR.

It's sorta covered w/ the intentionally dropped fly ball in the infield. Not 100% as an infielder can guide the ball to the ground [ASA].

To paraphrase what others have said:

The IFF rule is intended to protect the offense from a cheap double play due to runners that must stay at their base because the ball is obviously in flight and they would be doubled off if they run. With two or more such runners, it would be a fairly easy task by most players.

But nothing keeps that batter-runner from running, other than laziness or stupidity; there is certainly no jeopardy attached to the batter-runner running, like there is for the other runners. There is no reason to protect that person if he/she fails to run out their hit.

Thanks!!!!

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the batter runs the play out then there shouldn't be any chance of getting a double play. But, if he's an idiot and tosses his bat down, mutters some obscenity, then sulks back to the dugout then he deserves to get doubled!