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Batting Out Of Order or NOT
In a 14U JO ASA game after the batter completed her turn at bat and struck out for the third out of the inning the defensive coach came out of the dugout before the infielders were in foul territory and stated that the offensive team batted out of order. It was reported to the homeplate umpire by the defensive coach that number 44 was batting and not number 41 which was written on the lineup card. A runner crossed the plate two pitches prior to the strikeout so the run was taken away because of the batting out of order which I totally agree with. The only problem that I seen with the enforcement of the rule was that on the lineup card it had the girls names on it along with numbers and the girl in question at bat was the girl whose name was on the lineup card in that spot. Her number was written as 44 on the lineup card and not 41. I don't know if this would matter even if you had the wrong number because the ASA rulebook states Rule 7 Section 2 A. the batting order shall show the names, first and last, in the order in which the players are scheduled to bat. I think you could almost say the number was 41 its just a slash mark with the pencil. This was not my game but in my opinion I would not have called batting out of order since the girl in questions name was on the lineup card and she was batting.
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If you determine that it was a case of mistaken numbers and that 41 should have been written as 44 (or however it worked out), make the correction and continue play with no penalty (ASA 3-6-D).
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And even if it HAD been batting out of order, all advancement of runners on pitches that did not include the batter becoming a batter runner (hit, walk, etc.) would stand. The removal of the run was incorrect.
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One key phrase here!
"before the next pitch, legal or illegal"
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But I thought if it was the incorrect batter that you would take away the run because it was the last out of the inning and even though the batter struck out the batting out of order was discovered before the infielders left fair territory. I thought it didn't matter which pitch it was to the batter, the run scored on a pass ball two pitches prior to the strikeout. It doesn't state in the rule book that the batter has to become a batter runner it states After the incorrect batter has completed a turn at bat. Any replies will help with my thought process. |
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1. While the incorrect batter is at bat:
EFFECT: The correct batter must take the batter’s position and assume any balls and strikes. Any runs scored or bases run while the incorrect batter was at bat shall be legal. There is no penalty whether discovered by the offense or defense while the incorrect batter is at bat. D.1. applies during the at bat. D.2. applies after completion of the at bat (when the batter becomes a runner or is retired). There is no retroactivity. Paul |
I don't see this as batting out of order.
Its simply a clerical mistake.
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How is anyone suppose to know the name is correct?
Trust a coach? Trust a player? |
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I was specifically speaking to those people who WILL lie to us? Coaches, adult males, women - oops, I guess my wife doesn't play. Sans a roster, do we just take people's word for it? |
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Yes, people lie, but it's not my responsibility to conduct a witch hunt. |
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But yes, sometimes faith is required (also by the other coach). |
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