BOO - FED rules

[WestMichiganBlue]

Top of 6th, B5 bats in place of B4, hits single. B4 up next, fouls 1st pitch back. D-coach appeals that B5 BOO. It is too late to appeal B5; she is now a legal runner. But that means that B6 should be at bat. Do I send B4 back to dugout and bring up B6 with 0-1 count?

Suppose that B4 hit big fly to F7 with B5 going into 2B after catch. Now D-coach appeals BOO. I suggest that B4's out is removed, B5 is returned to 1B, B6 is called out, and B7 bats next. Agree?

Almost the same - If B4's hit was a single with B5 going to 3B and then D-coach appeals BOO. Remove B4 from 1B, return B5 back to 1B, call B6 out, and bring up B7. Yes? No?
WMB

[blue]

ASA rules, to the best of my memory: Being lazy, I dn't feel like getting my book out.

Situation #1)B6 replaces B4 and assumes the count.

Situation #2) B4 is out on the catch of the fly ball. B6, the player who should have batted is out. B5 is returned to 1st base. 2 Outs.

Situation #3)B4 removed from the bases, B5 returned to 1st. B6 is out for not batting, B7 is up.

[Roger Greene]

Fed rules.
#1 Yes
#2 Yes
#3 Yes

Remember in Fed an out for BOO (improper battter completes her time at bat) superceeds an out made by the improper batter. Other outs stand. Any advance caused by the improper batter are nulified (returned to TOP base). Any advances on steals or passed balls/wild pitches stand (unless the passed ball or wild pitch was the pitch that caused the improper batter to complete her time at bat.)

Roger Greene

[greymule]

In the first situation, the coach appealed that B5 batted out of order. Appeal denied, as the pitch to the next batter legalized B5's at bat. However, unless the coach appeals or somebody points out that B4 is now batting out of order, I would simply play on with B4 wrongly batting.

Of course, at this point everyone is going to be asking about B4 being up, so the point will probably be moot and B6 will be sent up to assume the 0-1 count.

To take the play further, let's say B4 continues to bat and gets a hit and nobody appeals. B6 comes up and takes a pitch. The offensive coach sees the mistake, knows that B4's at bat has now been legalized, and realizes that B5 is actually the legal batter. But B5 is on base. I don't have the book here, but if this follows OBR, B5 is skipped and B6 is the proper batter anyway.

However, I once had a coach approach me in the first inning of an ASA tournament with the following question: "Blue, my B4 just batted instead of my B3. You see, my girls batted in the same order as in their earlier game today and didn't know I had changed the lineup. Can B3 take her turn now and then B5 bat?"

B4 had made an out, leaving a runner at 1B and 2 out.

The defensive coach didn't come out or ask what we were talking about. I simply told the offensive coach, "No. She can't take her turn now. She missed her turn and has to wait until she comes around again."

Had the defense appealed before the next pitch, B3 would have been out for the third out. However, they said nothing, so we played on with B5 at bat.

Note that in Fed, B3 would have been out but B4 would have batted again.