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SergioJ Tue May 10, 2011 08:10am
ASA Co-Ed Rules Interpretation Help
 
Okay, ASA Rules only (please).

In Co-Ed, infielders must stay in the infield until the ball is pitched or batted? I think it's when the ball is batted, but can't seem to find specific definition in ASA Rules Book. Help please!

NCASAUmp Tue May 10, 2011 08:27am
Without having my 2011 book with me, since the rule has changed this year...

I would say time of pitch, but would have very little from the book to directly back me up.

My rationale is that there are certain requirements of the fielders' positioning that are only required prior to the pitch - the catcher must be in the catcher's box, all other fielders must be in fair territory, etc. By extension, I would say that infielders and outfielders must be in their proper positions by the time the ball is pitched.

Practically-speaking, it's next to impossible for an infielder to have enough time to go from the infield to the outfield (or vice-versa) after the pitch has been released, but before the pitch is batted.

MD Longhorn Tue May 10, 2011 08:32am
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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 757529)
Practically-speaking, it's next to impossible for an infielder to have enough time to go from the infield to the outfield (or vice-versa) after the pitch has been released, but before the pitch is batted.
Actually it's not that uncommon. My co-ed team would put LF right on the edge of the OF and then rush in with the pitch to cover 3rd (obviously only on batters that obviously weren't going to put the ball in the OF.)

NCASAUmp Tue May 10, 2011 08:39am
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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 757532)
Actually it's not that uncommon. My co-ed team would put LF right on the edge of the OF and then rush in with the pitch to cover 3rd (obviously only on batters that obviously weren't going to put the ball in the OF.)
Average human runs at between 14-17 MPH. That's a max of 25 feet/second. Average pitch is about 1 second, maybe 1.2 seconds.

They're not getting all that far.

MD Longhorn Tue May 10, 2011 08:54am
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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 757536)
Average human runs at between 14-17 MPH. That's a max of 25 feet/second. Average pitch is about 1 second, maybe 1.2 seconds.

They're not getting all that far.
No, but you said, "it's next to impossible for an infielder to have enough time to go from the infield to the outfield" Which is rather an odd statement considering that the infield and outfield touch each other, and only a step is required to go from one to the other. WRT the OP, "25 ft" (using your math) is definitely significant enough for him to be worrying about whether the OF is released on the pitch or on the batted ball.

NCASAUmp Tue May 10, 2011 09:26am
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Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 757552)
No, but you said, "it's next to impossible for an infielder to have enough time to go from the infield to the outfield" Which is rather an odd statement considering that the infield and outfield touch each other, and only a step is required to go from one to the other. WRT the OP, "25 ft" (using your math) is definitely significant enough for him to be worrying about whether the OF is released on the pitch or on the batted ball.
Sure, if they're playing where we consider the infield and outfield to meet.

Regardless, I think it's looking for something that just ain't there.

IRISHMAFIA Tue May 10, 2011 11:39am
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Originally Posted by SergioJ (Post 757524)
Okay, ASA Rules only (please).

In Co-Ed, infielders must stay in the infield until the ball is pitched or batted? I think it's when the ball is batted, but can't seem to find specific definition in ASA Rules Book. Help please!
It is based upon TOP since it is considered "defensive positioning" as noted in the index. Don't care where they go, nor would I be able even note such as an umpire since I have other duties once the pitch is released.

Dakota Tue May 10, 2011 12:33pm
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 757601)
...nor would I be able even note such as an umpire since I have other duties once the pitch is released.
What? You mean slow pitch doesn't have a Head Linesman? :D


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