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From another forum, coach putting spit on ball
"Noticed this weekend, opposing coach would pick up game ball to hand to his pitcher before she warmed up and spit in his hands and then rubbed the game ball and gave that ball to the pitcher in every inning. Blue said that was okay. Is it? (gross, definately....legal too?)"
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What rule set was he playing under?:confused: |
Not positive, I believe ASA. That was my opinion, I wouldnt allow a pitcher to do it, why would I allow a coach to do it?
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Rule 6 Section 6. Foreign Substance/Protective Wraps A. A defensive player shall not at any time during the game be allowed to use any foreign substance on the ball. So now just looking at the coach's actions, what would we do if during an inning a coach goes out for a conference with the pitcher and at the end of the conference spits on the ball rubs it up and hands it to the pitcher? (a) Call an IP for applying a foreign substance to the ball? or... (b) Do not call an IP because 6-6.A. only states that a defensive player cannot apply a foreign substance on the ball, and makes no reference to a coach doing it? IMO the coach is violating the spirit of the rule and my gut says it's an IP, but I can't see where the rules would support my IP call. FWIW, NCAA addresses it clearly: 10.13.2 No player or team personnel may apply moisture or a foreign substance to the ball or do anything else to deface the ball. EFFECT For the first offense, an illegal pitch shall be called as soon as the foreign substance touches the ball. On the second offense the pitcher shall be ejected. |
Simple solution: dump the coach. He, of all people, should know better than to teach his players to do this.
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You guys are worse than the coaches. GMAFB!
This is zippo, zero, nada, zilch, nil, nothing, not a damn thing. I do this to every ball I touch. You know how much I like baseball, but just why do you think umpires rub down a certain number of balls with Delaware River mud before every game? |
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Are you saying you would allow a coach to put anything on the ball between innings based on what's done prior to the game? Where do you draw the line? Most importantly, please site the supporting rule as well. |
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I hold the coach to higher standards than I do the players. Quote:
Do I think the simple act of spitting on the ball really gives the pitcher much advantage? Nah, not really, but then why do we have a rule against the players doing it? |
Other solution: go to pitcher's plate, ask for the ball from the coach, pull him/her aside and tell them plain and simple: "need me to scuff up the ball? I'll do it for you. Spit on the ball again, and it's sayonara. Thanks, Coach."
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BTW, YOU cite the rule forbidding the coach from doing what was described in the OP. |
Why is the coach handling the ball?
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Even if you thought you were, I believe this to be over-officiating at its extreme. This is one of those things that some umpire gets talked into enforcing by a coach because "rules are rules" and we end up with another ridiculous thread about TWPs. Think about it. A coach moistens HIS HANDS (not the ball), picks up a ball and rubs it down, hands the ball to the pitcher who then throws five warm-up pitches to the catcher who is now handling the ball with her glove and throwing hand as many times as their are pitches, then throws the ball to F4 who throws the ball to F6 who throws the ball to F....well, you get the point. So, after this ball has been thrown and caught in a glove 13 times, just what is going to happen on the first pitch that was effected by the coach spitting on his/her hands? Oh, here it comes........EVEN IF the pitcher threw no warm-up pitches, the coach's actions would still would not affect the pitch. Go ahead, make that call. What you do with the boogers you find is your business. I know it will not be mine. |
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