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IRISHMAFIA Sun Aug 08, 2010 01:03pm
ASA Appeal for Leaving Early
 
R1, no out. Batter hits a deep, but high fly ball to F8 in LC.

In his eagerness, the BR rounds 1B passing R1 who is holding the base to advance after the catch.

You, the BU, calls BR out for the passing and R1 takes off to 2B prior to the ball being touched and caught by F8.

F8 returns ball to F6 who immediately throws the ball to F3 for a live ball appeal of R1 leaving early.

As the BU, what is your response to the appeal?

HugoTafurst Sun Aug 08, 2010 03:31pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 688111)
R1, no out. Batter hits a deep, but high fly ball to F8 in LC.

In his eagerness, the BR rounds 1B passing R1 who is holding the base to advance after the catch.

You, the BU, calls BR out for the passing and R1 takes off to 2B prior to the ball being touched and caught by F8.

F8 returns ball to F6 who immediately throws the ball to F3 for a live ball appeal of R1 leaving early.

As the BU, what is your response to the appeal?
Out

CecilOne Sun Aug 08, 2010 04:11pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 688111)
R1, no out. Batter hits a deep, but high fly ball to F8 in LC.

In his eagerness, the BR rounds 1B passing R1 who is holding the base to advance after the catch.

You, the BU, calls BR out for the passing and R1 takes off to 2B prior to the ball being touched and caught by F8.

F8 returns ball to F6 who immediately throws the ball to F3 for a live ball appeal of R1 leaving early.

As the BU, what is your response to the appeal?
Are you implying that the BR being out before the catch migh have made a difference?

DeputyUICHousto Sun Aug 08, 2010 08:34pm
Huh?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 688111)
R1, no out. Batter hits a deep, but high fly ball to F8 in LC.

In his eagerness, the BR rounds 1B passing R1 who is holding the base to advance after the catch.

You, the BU, calls BR out for the passing and R1 takes off to 2B prior to the ball being touched and caught by F8.

F8 returns ball to F6 who immediately throws the ball to F3 for a live ball appeal of R1 leaving early.

As the BU, what is your response to the appeal?
One has no bearing on the other. There are two infractions here. The batter/runner is out when he passes the runner. The runners is still required to properly run the bases. Tagging up correctly is still required.

MD Longhorn Mon Aug 09, 2010 01:43pm
Out. The only think the batter's out changes is that if the ball is dropped, R1 is not forced to 2nd.

Andy Mon Aug 09, 2010 02:53pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by HugoTafurst (Post 688119)
Out
I agree.....but with Mike, there's usually a catch (and not the one made by F8)

CecilOne Mon Aug 09, 2010 03:34pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by andy (Post 688201)
i agree.....but with mike, there's usually a catch (and not the one made by f8)
:d :d

youngump Mon Aug 09, 2010 03:54pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 688111)
R1, no out. Batter hits a deep, but high fly ball to F8 in LC.

In his eagerness, the BR rounds 1B passing R1 who is holding the base to advance after the catch.

You, the BU, calls BR out for the passing and R1 takes off to 2B prior to the ball being touched and caught by F8.

F8 returns ball to F6 who immediately throws the ball to F3 for a live ball appeal of R1 leaving early.

As the BU, what is your response to the appeal?
Two ideas:
1. This is too straightforward for Mike to post without a catch.
2. He makes a point of using BU a couple of times.

So, I'm thinking that for some reason the BR being out makes this the PU's appeal. I can't see how you'd get there though, and I don't think I'd take much grief for the out call I'd make.
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CecilOne Mon Aug 09, 2010 04:07pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by youngump (Post 688222)
Two ideas:
1. This is too straightforward for Mike to post without a catch.
2. He makes a point of using BU a couple of times.

So, I'm thinking that for some reason the BR being out makes this the PU's appeal. I can't see how you'd get there though, and I don't think I'd take much grief for the out call I'd make.
Tag ups at 1st are BU resp.; even if BU knows about the other out.

youngump Mon Aug 09, 2010 04:30pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 688224)
Tag ups at 1st are BU resp.; even if BU knows about the other out.
That's why I couldn't see how to get there. :)
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MD Longhorn Mon Aug 09, 2010 04:33pm
So ... are we all just waiting for the Irish hammer to fall and show us where we're wrong?

IRISHMAFIA Mon Aug 09, 2010 04:50pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by mbcrowder (Post 688230)
So ... are we all just waiting for the Irish hammer to fall and show us where we're wrong?
Nope, I would rule it as an out.

8.7.F and 8.8.L make no exceptions if the player who batted the fly ball is ruled out prior to the catch.

Just poking around curious as to any question which may have been raised on such a play.

youngump Mon Aug 09, 2010 05:13pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 688237)
Nope, I would rule it as an out.

8.7.F and 8.8.L make no exceptions if the player who batted the fly ball is ruled out prior to the catch.

Just poking around curious as to any question which may have been raised on such a play.
It's a good thing they don't since we call the BR out on the infield fly all the time before the catch.
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Dakota Mon Aug 09, 2010 05:25pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by youngump (Post 688241)
It's a good thing they don't since we call the BR out on the infield fly all the time before the catch.
Yes, which leads to all manner of confusion regarding tagging up (at least on the part of coaches).

Andy Tue Aug 10, 2010 01:11pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dakota (Post 688244)
Yes, which leads to all manner of confusion regarding tagging up (at least on the part of coaches).
But...but...the infield fly is a dead ball, right Blue?????? :rolleyes:


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