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Advice on the one!
Girls FP...runners at 2nd and 3rd...two out...1 ball 2 strike count on batter.
Pitch comes in and is swung at and missed. Ball hits in F2's glove and bounces out right in front of the plate. Batter realizes DTS and takes off. Ball comes to rest directly in front of plate and batter/runner unintentionally kicks the ball as she runs to first base. What if anything do you call? Last edited by DeputyUICHousto; Thu Jul 29, 2010 at 04:14pm. |
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DEAD BALL! DEAD BALL! DEAD BALL! Batter is OUT.
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On this, and other, boards, multiple versions of this play have inevitably led to someone opining that they refuse to reward the defense for failing to catch the ball. This opinion has no rules basis, since every version of softball has a rule that makes it an out (ASA 8.2-F(6), NFHS 8-2-6, NCAA 12-4-m). This simple rule makes it an out to interfere with a dropped third strike, without regard to intent, who erred, or any other consideration; if the batter-runner interferes, it is an out. No sane person could possibly conclude that kicking the ball didn't interfere.
What amazes me about the logic (?) used is that the batter erred first and foremost, by missing three strikes!! The same umpires would certainly and happily declare the batter-runner out if it was a bunt in fair territory and the batter-runner unitentionally kicked it, and on that play the batter-runner didn't even miss the ball first!! Go figure; it's a fairly simple rule to me.
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Absolutely, 8.2.F.6
There was an attempt a few years ago to add "intent" to this play, but it was the wrong year to bring up that type of change in the interference rules. ![]()
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Then why isn't it...
interference when a runner is running the bases and goes in standing up at 3rd base and is hit with a thrown ball? I'm a bit confused here. The batter had her chance to hit the ball...but the catcher had her chance to field the ball.
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Doesn't make any difference. It is an U3K and the BR kicked it. Didn't say I like it, but it is what it is.
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I know they have removed...
the word "intentional" from the interference rule in almost all instances. But, how can you distinguish between the two plays...A runner running in to 3rd base who is hit with a thrown ball (didn't even know it was coming) and the batter/runner running to first base on a dropped 3rd strike who has no idea where the ball is laying? In both cases you have a runner who may have kept the defense from making a play. I can't see interference here.
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NCAA 2010
12.2.3 The batter-runner may not interfere with the catcher’s attempt to field a third strike. Note: If both players’ actions are appropriate to the situation and contact could not be avoided, it is inadvertent contact and neither interference nor obstruction. A.R. 12.2.3: It is not interference if the batter-runner unintentionally kicks the ball that had deflected off the catcher who attempted to field a dropped third strike. Paul
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