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IRISHMAFIA Sun Jun 06, 2010 04:34pm

More Wisdom From NCAA Championships
 
Beth Whateverhernameis claims that a slapper must keep one foot in the batter's box. Must have missed that one.

Also, lot of slappers getting strikes called for "swings" when it seems it isn't even close. I'm not talking a couple, but dozens that I've seen since Thursday.

Can any of you NCAA guys tell us if there is a standard (i.e. dragging bat through strike zone, not pulling bat back, etc.) which has been implemented as an indication for a "swing"?

Rich Ives Sun Jun 06, 2010 04:49pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 680467)
Beth Whateverhernameis claims that a slapper must keep one foot in the batter's box. Must have missed that one.

Also, lot of slappers getting strikes called for "swings" when it seems it isn't even close. I'm not talking a couple, but dozens that I've seen since Thursday.

Can any of you NCAA guys tell us if there is a standard (i.e. dragging bat through strike zone, not pulling bat back, etc.) which has been implemented as an indication for a "swing"?


Actually, she said the batter wants to keep one foot in the batter's box.

True. The other is on it's way to first but not yet on the ground when hitting the ball.

IRISHMAFIA Sun Jun 06, 2010 07:22pm

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Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 680472)
Actually, she said the batter wants to keep one foot in the batter's box.

True. The other is on it's way to first but not yet on the ground when hitting the ball.

Didn't hear it that way, but I'll take your word for it. But I didn't hear a clarification on where the other foot may or may not be..

okla21fan Sun Jun 06, 2010 07:39pm

Just got back from OKC and now watching the ESPN gals do their thingy. While you miss some replays at HOF stadium, it is sure nice not to have to listen to these 3 'experts'.

How about a sideline reporter with an extensive 'blue' background next year? Not just from some ex-[layer's perspective.

IRISHMAFIA Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:06pm

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Originally Posted by okla21fan (Post 680486)
Just got back from OKC and now watching the ESPN gals do their thingy. While you miss some replays at HOF stadium, it is sure nice not to have to listen to these 3 'experts'.

How about a sideline reporter with an extensive 'blue' background next year? Not just from some ex-[layer's perspective.

Or, at least, a decent hat

IRISHMAFIA Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:20pm

There's a new one! Sac bunt. The catcher wanted to let it go foul, "but listened to the ump" (who was behind her pointing fair)

IRISHMAFIA Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:25pm

FOUL TIP?!?!

The catcher didn't catch the ball, how can it be a "foul tip" at least a half dozen time!

okla21fan Sun Jun 06, 2010 08:31pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 680494)
FOUL TIP?!?!

The catcher didn't catch the ball, how can it be a "foul tip" at least a half dozen time!

Be nice to have a strike signal with the verbal 'three'. (but then again, we have all 'froze' before, or at least I have....and yes there is a story behind that too)

IRISHMAFIA Sun Jun 06, 2010 09:01pm

And did you see where Mike Bartling over ruled Scott Thomas on that play at 2B.

Oh, and was it Mendoza who said the umpire should call the runner out on principle for not sliding? Oh, yeah, that would go over real well if a play went that way.

Coach: Are you kidding, she was safe!
Blue: Coach, she didn't slide.
Coach: So what, she doesn't have to slide
Blue: Yeah, but I called her out on principle!!!!

Yeah, that umpire would be invited back next year.

HugoTafurst Mon Jun 07, 2010 06:04am

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 680501)
And did you see where Mike Bartling over ruled Scott Thomas on that play at 2B.


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Yeah, what was that all about...
I was working at the time, but had the TV on.
Couldn't figure out what actually happened.

IRISHMAFIA Mon Jun 07, 2010 06:49am

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Originally Posted by HugoTafurst (Post 680521)
Yeah, what was that all about...
I was working at the time, but had the TV on.
Couldn't figure out what actually happened.

The play was 6-5-4, U1 called runner at 2nd safe. The TH immediately noted she should have slid and probably would have been safe, but she went in standing up. The replay showed the ball getting into F4s glove before the runner contacting the base.

F6 started questioning U3 (Mike Bartling) about the call. The TH pointed out that U3 was telling the UT player that he thought the runner was out at 2nd. Yeah, like I believe that. Unfortunately, all the idiots in TV land probably do believe it.

Apparently, and I don't remember seeing it on the screen, Mike and Scott got together and the runner was ruled out at 2nd. And in their normal fashion of ignorance, declared that one umpire over ruled another's call which any intelligent fan knows that isn't going to happen.

argodad Mon Jun 07, 2010 08:09am

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 680493)
There's a new one! Sac bunt. The catcher wanted to let it go foul, "but listened to the ump" (who was behind her pointing fair)

I knew you would pick up on that one. My wife kept asking me why I was yelling at the TV. I just told her the talking heads were driving me nuts.

BuggBob Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:59am

Admittedly, I am not NCAA World series caliber umpire. However, I do know a foul ball from a foul tip. That last game (AZ-v-TN if game) was not the best officiated of the series.

JefferMC Mon Jun 07, 2010 03:22pm

On that "foul-tip" that wasn't caught, what the heck happened?

It appears the plate umpire didn't see the bat strike the ball. Fine, so why was the runner removed from 1B when she finally went there having not been tagged by the catcher?

MichaelVA2000 Mon Jun 07, 2010 04:11pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 680467)
Beth Whateverhernameis claims that a slapper must keep one foot in the batter's box. Must have missed that one.

Also, lot of slappers getting strikes called for "swings" when it seems it isn't even close. I'm not talking a couple, but dozens that I've seen since Thursday.

Can any of you NCAA guys tell us if there is a standard (i.e. dragging bat through strike zone, not pulling bat back, etc.) which has been implemented as an indication for a "swing"?

The "standard" is not listening when Beth Whateverhernameis begins to explain rules.:);):D

okla21fan Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:28pm

Did I hear Michelle Smith correctly last night claiming that a 'leap' is actually a 'disadvantage' to the pitcher (mechanically) because the 'drive' behind the pitch is 'up and not directly towards home plate'?

Dakota Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:57pm

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Originally Posted by okla21fan (Post 680745)
Did I hear Michelle Smith correctly last night claiming that a 'leap' is actually a 'disadvantage' to the pitcher (mechanically) because the 'drive' behind the pitch is 'up and not directly towards home plate'?

That is simple physics. A given force from the push off the plate is divided between the vertical and horizontal components. The vertical component, which causes the leap, will reduce what is left for the horizontal component, thereby reducing the drive toward the plate.

This ignores the friction from dragging the foot that is not present during the leap itself.

okla21fan Tue Jun 08, 2010 01:26pm

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Originally Posted by Dakota (Post 680752)
That is simple physics. A given force from the push off the plate is divided between the vertical and horizontal components. The vertical component, which causes the leap, will reduce what is left for the horizontal component, thereby reducing the drive toward the plate.

This ignores the friction from dragging the foot that is not present during the leap itself.

interesting, But wouldn't that same force by applied in the opposite direction when the 'leap' is going back down? you know that ole 32' per sec squared thingy.

(and the drag dealio makes alot of sense)

MD Longhorn Tue Jun 08, 2010 01:56pm

Yes, Dakota ... however, I believe the reason a leap aids the pitcher is not the movement vertical at all, but rather the faster arm motion. Why? If the girl could throw with her current motion without her momentum bringing her off the ground, she would. But she can't. She has to throw less hard in order to not bring herself off the ground.

youngump Tue Jun 08, 2010 02:19pm

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Originally Posted by okla21fan (Post 680756)
interesting, But wouldn't that same force by applied in the opposite direction when the 'leap' is going back down? you know that ole 32' per sec squared thingy.

(and the drag dealio makes alot of sense)

Yes, due to gravity the vertical movement will pull her back to the ground as fast as she left. But it won't cause her to move toward the plate. That's all a factor of her horizontal force and drag (which increases I would think substantially when the foot is on the ground).
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CecilOne Tue Jun 08, 2010 02:27pm

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Originally Posted by Dakota (Post 680752)
That is simple physics. A given force from the push off the plate is divided between the vertical and horizontal components. The vertical component, which causes the leap, will reduce what is left for the horizontal component, thereby reducing the drive toward the plate.

This ignores the friction from dragging the foot that is not present during the leap itself.

We seem to be due for a dissertation from our resident pitching physiologist.

IRISHMAFIA Tue Jun 08, 2010 05:02pm

One simple question for Michelle Smith.

If it is a disadvantage to the pitcher, why aren't the coaches talking to the pitcher instead of the umpire? :rolleyes:

Don't think I'll hold my breath waiting on that answer.:cool:

okla21fan Sat Jun 12, 2010 01:01pm

Its not just softball:

Watching the UT/TCU super regionals on ESPN. wide throw to 1st base by F5 and there is some contact by BR and F3. Announcer says;

"ya know, that could be called interference obstruction on the batter. The umpire has to be aware if this and call the runner out. The 1st baseman is protected and the runner can't touch him. The have to run in the second lane called the running lane and if they don't, they are out. I think that was interference obstruction.'


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