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SC Ump Sat May 29, 2010 08:18pm

And yet another illegal pitch thread
 
Sorry that the 'event' in question is a few days in the past, but I've been off line.

In the college softball world series, did anyone judge the MI pitcher as illegal? I'm specifically referencing her wrist being farther from the waist than the elbow? I was flipping channels, saw it immediately and took the opportunity to show my wife what I have to do on the field. (I froze the DVR: just before the point of release, the elbow was crooked outwards close to 45º, then at the point of release her arm seemed to be crooked outwards about 25º-30º at the elbow and after the pitch her follow through carried her arm in front of her body.)

I watched for about 2 innings and she seemed to do it on every pitch. I didn't see it called and I can only assume it was allowed all year by the NCAA officials.

IRISHMAFIA Sat May 29, 2010 11:01pm

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Originally Posted by SC Ump (Post 679229)
Sorry that the 'event' in question is a few days in the past, but I've been off line.

In the college softball world series, did anyone judge the MI pitcher as illegal? I'm specifically referencing her wrist being farther from the waist than the elbow? I was flipping channels, saw it immediately and took the opportunity to show my wife what I have to do on the field. (I froze the DVR: just before the point of release, the elbow was crooked outwards close to 45º, then at the point of release her arm seemed to be crooked outwards about 25º-30º at the elbow and after the pitch her follow through carried her arm in front of her body.)

I watched for about 2 innings and she seemed to do it on every pitch. I didn't see it called and I can only assume it was allowed all year by the NCAA officials.

I believe they called her illegal in the first game for leaping and unless she is basically pitching sidearm, don't think she is going to be call for the wrist being to the outside.

vcblue Sun May 30, 2010 09:51am

How slow did you run your DVR to get those angles. :D

Tex Sun May 30, 2010 04:36pm

I saw illegal pitches for leaping, which some were called by the umpire. Did not see what you described.

SC Ump Sun May 30, 2010 05:17pm

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Originally Posted by vcblue (Post 679250)
How slow did you run your DVR to get those angles. :D

My DVR has freeze frame and can move forward one frame at a time. While my wife did indulge my lecture on these intricacies, I'm sure she would have 'balked' if I had gotten out my protractor. The angles are only estimates that could also be skewed by the placement of the centerfield camera, which is usually not dead center.

pop300ln Mon May 31, 2010 01:50pm

stupid
 
how stupid. the next time u umpire a game just thing how stupid this sounds or maybe u can take ur slow motion vcr. if a pitcher was to throw a riseball where do u thlink the wrist must B somewhere in the rotation.

IRISHMAFIA Mon May 31, 2010 04:57pm

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Originally Posted by pop300ln (Post 679360)
how stupid. the next time u umpire a game just thing how stupid this sounds or maybe u can take ur slow motion vcr. if a pitcher was to throw a riseball where do u thlink the wrist must B somewhere in the rotation.

Does this board have an interpreter in it's Tool Box?

umpirebob71 Mon May 31, 2010 04:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by pop300ln (Post 679360)
how stupid. the next time u umpire a game just thing how stupid this sounds or maybe u can take ur slow motion vcr. if a pitcher was to throw a riseball where do u thlink the wrist must B somewhere in the rotation.

Are you texting us all this wisdom of yours?

IRISHMAFIA Mon May 31, 2010 05:02pm

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Originally Posted by umpirebob71 (Post 679382)
Are you texting us all this wisdom of yours?

I hope so, 'cause if it isn't, it must be T.G.E.S.L.

Welpe Mon May 31, 2010 06:10pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 679380)
Does this board have an interpreter in it's Tool Box?

Unfortunately I don't see a "fanboy" or "coach" setting. :(

MD Longhorn Mon May 31, 2010 06:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by pop300ln (Post 679360)
how stupid. the next time u umpire a game just thing how stupid this sounds or maybe u can take ur slow motion vcr. if a pitcher was to throw a riseball where do u thlink the wrist must B somewhere in the rotation.

Um... what?

KJUmp Mon May 31, 2010 07:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC Ump (Post 679229)
Sorry that the 'event' in question is a few days in the past, but I've been off line.

In the college softball world series, did anyone judge the MI pitcher as illegal? I'm specifically referencing her wrist being farther from the waist than the elbow? I was flipping channels, saw it immediately and took the opportunity to show my wife what I have to do on the field. (I froze the DVR: just before the point of release, the elbow was crooked outwards close to 45º, then at the point of release her arm seemed to be crooked outwards about 25º-30º at the elbow and after the pitch her follow through carried her arm in front of her body.)

I watched for about 2 innings and she seemed to do it on every pitch. I didn't see it called and I can only assume it was allowed all year by the NCAA officials.

Irish is correct. Taylor was called for an IP in the 5th inning of the first game of the Ann Arbor Super Regional.

TN had runners on 2nd&3rd when the IP was called.
Box score indicates that she was only called for one IP in that game, and none in the second game. As has been stated in a previous NCAA IP thread; the only IP's that make the box score are IP's where a runner(s) advanced. So, there could have been some other IP's called with no runners on base, but those would not have appeared in the box score.

FWIW....Taylor lead the Big 10 in IP's this season with 18.

darkside Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:51am

When watching Jordan pitch, that was the first thing I noticed with her pitches. Her had was WAY beyond the wrist on every pitch. This kid has many mechanical problems and I'm surprised nobody corrected them along the way. Now she's hurling at the DI level and getting dinged. It's a shame.


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