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IRISHMAFIA Sat May 15, 2010 07:31pm

SEC Championships
 
Here's one for Ed.

Announcer makes the comment that she heard an unbelievable statistic the other day. The Philadelphia Phillies will be attempting to make it to their 3rd straight World Series this year and no team has done that since the Cardinals in the '40s, pre-WWII. Huh?

It was actually the Cardinals in 42, 43 & 44, right in the middle of the war

IRISHMAFIA Sat May 15, 2010 08:25pm

Ouch!!

Plate umpire takes a ball off the batter's elbow to the stomach and goes down. Patti Lyons left the game in the top of the 5th and was replaced by Scott Brians.

I guess it will be the umpire's fault for whomever loses the game. :rolleyes::D

IRISHMAFIA Sat May 15, 2010 08:32pm

As predicted, LSU is coming back ;) Just tied the game up with a 4-run (so far) 5th inning.

Announcer (Smith, I think) talking about how the pitcher couldn't throw fro the 15+ minutes they were waiting for a replacement umpire.

I know if this happened in ASA, I'm letting the pitcher throw as much as she elects to during th delay.

Anything in NCAA which would prohibit that?

PSUchem Sat May 15, 2010 08:37pm

Did it look like Patti got hit in the ribs or the groin? Was he even wearing a chest protector? It looked like it hit him high in the chest and then the groin, but it didn't look like a hard hit. Must have hit him right on a rib or something?

okla21fan Sat May 15, 2010 08:54pm

belt buckle maybe?

Pat was 'knocked out' on a foul tip a year or so ago too.

(that being said, I love his zone behind the plate)

IRISHMAFIA Sat May 15, 2010 08:54pm

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Originally Posted by PSUchem (Post 677026)
Did it look like Patti got hit in the ribs or the groin? Was he even wearing a chest protector? It looked like it hit him high in the chest and then the groin, but it didn't look like a hard hit. Must have hit him right on a rib or something?

He may have been wearing one, but not a full one. At first, I thought maybe it caught him in the groin just above the cup, but I think it caught him just below the rib cage.

This year, I dug out my old ribbed Rawlings UGP CP I bought about 40 years ago. Very comfortable and provides great protection from the collar bone to the belt buckle.

shipwreck Sat May 15, 2010 09:00pm

The hit down the left field line by Alabama for what should have been a double. The 3BU had good postion but called her out when she was safe easily. The girl slid in head first, hands touched second, body then came into the base and then the tag was made. Looked like an easy one to get right. Dave

IRISHMAFIA Sat May 15, 2010 09:00pm

People complaining about umpires, someone better check that bottle on the scorekeeper's desk.

Batter swings at a pitch in the dirt long before the catcher has an opportunity and they ruled it a passed ball.

I have no idea how anyone would expect the catcher to cleanly field a ball in the dirt with a bat in your line of vision.

shipwreck Sat May 15, 2010 09:02pm

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Originally Posted by okla21fan (Post 677027)
belt buckle maybe?

Pat was 'knocked out' on a foul tip a year or so ago too.

(that being said, I love his zone behind the plate)

Here we go again. That was NOT a foul tip. Dave

okla21fan Sat May 15, 2010 09:04pm

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Originally Posted by shipwreck (Post 677031)
Here we go again. That was NOT a foul tip. Dave

(hanging head in shame) :)

IRISHMAFIA Sat May 15, 2010 09:05pm

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Originally Posted by shipwreck (Post 677029)
The hit down the left field line by Alabama for what should have been a double. The 3BU had good postion but called her out when she was safe easily. The girl slid in head first, hands touched second, body then came into the base and then the tag was made. Looked like an easy one to get right. Dave

We saw a different play. No doubt it was close, but I saw the runner with an abnormal wide turn and approach angle try to reach the base with a hand to the fielder's left foot blocking the base (legally). But I thought the tag was there before the body got to the base. Left hand may have gotten in, but the umpire didn't have TV and replays.

I was actually paying more attention to the point she didn't seem to finish her overhand.:cool:

shipwreck Sat May 15, 2010 09:24pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 677033)
We saw a different play. No doubt it was close, but I saw the runner with an abnormal wide turn and approach angle try to reach the base with a hand to the fielder's left foot blocking the base (legally). But I thought the tag was there before the body got to the base. Left hand may have gotten in, but the umpire didn't have TV and replays.

I was actually paying more attention to the point she didn't seem to finish her overhand.:cool:

Maybe she was out since she didn't get upset. Left hand looked to be into bag before the tag, which would have been closest to the umpire, but I have DVR slow motion which umpire didn't. Dave

IRISHMAFIA Sat May 15, 2010 09:40pm

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Originally Posted by shipwreck (Post 677034)
Maybe she was out since she didn't get upset. Left hand looked to be into bag before the tag, which would have been closest to the umpire, but I have DVR slow motion which umpire didn't. Dave

Me neither, so I'll take your word for it.

PSUchem Sat May 15, 2010 09:42pm

Shipwreck is probably right. After about the, I dunno, 8th replay from multiple angles, it looked like she miiiiiiight have gotten that hand in a split second before the actual tag, even though the ball beat her by a mile.

But again, real-time? Dead-to-nuts out.

Stu Clary Sat May 15, 2010 10:36pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 677016)
Announcer makes the comment that she heard an unbelievable statistic the other day. The Philadelphia Phillies will be attempting to make it to their 3rd straight World Series this year and no team has done that since the Cardinals in the '40s, pre-WWII. Huh?

It was actually the Cardinals in 42, 43 & 44, right in the middle of the war

That's news to the 1972-73-74 Oakland A's. MAKE the World Series? Ha! The mid 70s A's scoff at just making it to the World Series. Captain Sal, Joe Rudi, Catfish, Campy, Rollie and frieds won three in a row.

Rich Ives Sat May 15, 2010 10:49pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 677030)
Batter swings at a pitch in the dirt long before the catcher has an opportunity and they ruled it a passed ball.

I have no idea how anyone would expect the catcher to cleanly field a ball in the dirt with a bat in your line of vision.

That's why they get the big bucks. Any coach at that level would expect it.

marvin Sun May 16, 2010 01:46am

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 677030)
People complaining about umpires, someone better check that bottle on the scorekeeper's desk.

Batter swings at a pitch in the dirt long before the catcher has an opportunity and they ruled it a passed ball.

I have no idea how anyone would expect the catcher to cleanly field a ball in the dirt with a bat in your line of vision.

Was that the actual scorer's ruling or the TV announcer's?

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Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 677038)
That's why they get the big bucks. Any coach at that level would expect it.

Quote:

NCAA 14.27 Wild Pitch
A wild pitch is charged to a pitcher when the pitch is so high, wide or low that the catcher cannot handle the ball with ordinary effort and at least one runner advances. Any pitch in the dirt is wild. Only one wild pitch is recorded regardless of the number of runners who advance or the number of bases advanced. A third strike not handled by the catcher because it was wild, when the batter reaches first base safely, is scored as both a wild pitch and a strikeout. No wild pitch is charged if a runner stealing on the pitch advances only one base. A wild pitch is not an error.
What the coach expects doesn't matter to the official scorer, the scoring rule does.

If they had four umps there why didn't they just work a four-person crew? Obviously if any of the umps were hurt or injured they could then go to a three-person crew.

Is this solely for the sake of consistency with the regular season?

3SPORT Sun May 16, 2010 08:35am

The NCAA softball doesn't use 4 I would assume, because they do not have it in the SUIP manual. All aspects of umpiring is covered in the manual and they do not prescribe to 4 man mechanics.

IRISHMAFIA Sun May 16, 2010 08:55am

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Originally Posted by Rich Ives (Post 677038)
That's why they get the big bucks. Any coach at that level would expect it.

Yet those who really do get paid the big bucks would whine and cry until it was changed to a WP :D especially if PB/WP were included in the contract involving any performance bonus.

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=Marvin] Was that the actual scorer's ruling or the TV announcer's?
That is what was posted on the scoring line at the top of the screen and the box score has multiple WP & PB for LSU, so I can't really be sure of what the final ruling was on that particular instance. AND I'M NOT searching through a play-by-play log looking for it.

Meanwhile, this is the All-tournament team:

All-Tournament Team

Megan Bush, SS, Florida
Corrie Brooks, 3B, Florida
Kelly Grieve, CF, Tennessee
Ivy Renfroe, P, Tennessee
Cody Trahan, P, LSU
Jessica Mouse, 3B, LSU
Kirsten Shortridge, CF, LSU
Jennifer Fenton, CF, Alabama
Whitney Larsen, SS, Alabama
Kayla Braud, 2B, Alabama
Kelsi Dunne, P, Alabama

So, am I the only one who believes there is little emphasis placed on any other defensive position other than pitcher?

IRISHMAFIA Sun May 16, 2010 09:00am

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Originally Posted by 3SPORT (Post 677052)
The NCAA softball doesn't use 4 I would assume, because they do not have it in the SUIP manual. All aspects of umpiring is covered in the manual and they do not prescribe to 4 man mechanics.

I've heard the same from ASA, yet we have used them regularly at NCs. Bbut with a 60' infield, someone would have to go out on every ball or you may think you are on the football field at Boise St.

CecilOne Sun May 16, 2010 02:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3SPORT (Post 677052)
The NCAA softball doesn't use 4 I would assume, because they do not have it in the SUIP manual. All aspects of umpiring is covered in the manual and they do not prescribe to 4 man mechanics.

Even if one of them is name Linda! ;) :)


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