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IRISHMAFIA Wed Nov 11, 2009 07:26pm

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Originally Posted by wadeintothem (Post 635729)

I guess no news on whether the 18gs will be moving around?

Actually, Steve addressed that.

The change was to allow the Executive Director designate the location.

At the time, I was sitting with a particular ASA member whom I believe has an inside track. One of the Past Presidents jokingly mentioned "trusting" RR to place the tournament around the country, including the possibility of Altoona, PA.

I turned to this individual and said, "I see it more like a rotation of Anaheim, OKC & Orlando".

wadeintothem Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:57am

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 635736)
Actually, Steve addressed that.

The change was to allow the Executive Director designate the location.

At the time, I was sitting with a particular ASA member whom I believe has an inside track. One of the Past Presidents jokingly mentioned "trusting" RR to place the tournament around the country, including the possibility of Altoona, PA.

I turned to this individual and said, "I see it more like a rotation of Anaheim, OKC & Orlando".

He could throw Georgia a bone. If it wasnt for their weather, that place aint half bad. :D

As long as we dont have to go to Texas, least of all Midland.. its all good though. :D

CecilOne Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:52am

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 635716)
Permit the Safety Base to be any color contrasting with white

How about also contrasting with the ground? Any color includes tan, brown, faded orange, etc.

JefferMC Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:53am

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Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 635808)
How about also contrasting with the ground?

Well, that would throw out Orange bases here, with our clay. :)

IRISHMAFIA Thu Nov 12, 2009 01:01pm

The following are the rule changes that have been approved:

Change 16U & 18U FP to 43' pitching distance

Permit the Safety Base to be any color contrasting with white

Clarified a legal bat which includes a flare/cone at the knob end of the handle

Allow JO 16U & 18U FP to wear metal spikes

Eliminate "heating" from the Note restricting the changing of the characteristics of equipment

Change the rule to return all runners to their previous base ANYTIME the BR is determined to be an Unreported Substitute prior to the next pitch.

Change 4.7.C.5 from banning "communication equipment" to "electronic equipment" from the dugout. This includes video cameras.

Change SP & 16" SP pitch height to 10' (passed by council, 162-58)

Include "Modified" in the rule allowing the pitcher to use a drying agent

Allowed Modified to use a courtesy runner for the pitcher and catcher similar to that of the FP game.

NCASAUmp Thu Nov 12, 2009 01:03pm

So those are completely done deals? All of those will appear in the 2010 book?

IRISHMAFIA Thu Nov 12, 2009 01:18pm

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 635817)
So those are completely done deals? All of those will appear in the 2010 book?


Yep

wadeintothem Thu Nov 12, 2009 01:29pm

Thanks for the update. Looks good!

NCASAUmp Thu Nov 12, 2009 01:36pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 635816)
Change SP & 16" SP pitch height to 10' (passed by council, 162-58)

This one surprises me. Why did they lower the max height? To be more consistent with other orgs? Or to get greater consistency among umpires?

IRISHMAFIA Thu Nov 12, 2009 02:17pm

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 635822)
This one surprises me. Why did they lower the max height? To be more consistent with other orgs? Or to get greater consistency among umpires?

The SP Task Force really wanted this. Some RPL players supported this as they contend it is easier to change bats than adjust timing. It was presented as something the players prefer and would possible draw teams back to ASA.

This was one of four changes for which the task force seriously lobbied and I believe it was the only one they got sold.

wadeintothem Thu Nov 12, 2009 06:33pm

Kinda wish ASA would have stood firm on allowing college players in the Gold.. but I guess that had to go.

ASA/NYSSOBLUE Thu Nov 12, 2009 08:40pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 635816)
The following are the rule changes that have been approved:

Change 16U & 18U FP to 43' pitching distance

Permit the Safety Base to be any color contrasting with white

Clarified a legal bat which includes a flare/cone at the knob end of the handle

Allow JO 16U & 18U FP to wear metal spikes

Eliminate "heating" from the Note restricting the changing of the characteristics of equipment

Change the rule to return all runners to their previous base ANYTIME the BR is determined to be an Unreported Substitute prior to the next pitch.

Change 4.7.C.5 from banning "communication equipment" to "electronic equipment" from the dugout. This includes video cameras.

Change SP & 16" SP pitch height to 10' (passed by council, 162-58)

Include "Modified" in the rule allowing the pitcher to use a drying agent

Allowed Modified to use a courtesy runner for the pitcher and catcher similar to that of the FP game.

Thank GOD they didn't change the tie breaker as proposed - how long did it take for them to reject THAT?

Kind of surprised that the face mask didn't pass - that usually is the sort of safety thing that ASA usually takes a leadership role in promoting see, for example, the cage on the batting helmet. Perhaps if next year the proposal gets cut down to P, 1B, 3B, it will pass. And PLEASE do not lecture me on the 'its over officiating' or 'its Mommy and Daddys business' - I would prefer NEVER to see a bunch of 'bloody chiclets' out there. With a kid 12-13-14 crying in pain. If it takes me another minute or two of checking, instead of schmoozing with my partner, so be it....

IRISHMAFIA Fri Nov 13, 2009 01:33am

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Originally Posted by ASA/NYSSOBLUE (Post 635892)
Thank GOD they didn't change the tie breaker as proposed - how long did it take for them to reject THAT?

It was rejected on Consent, held, debated on the floor and then rejected 178-38

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Kind of surprised that the face mask didn't pass - that usually is the sort of safety thing that ASA usually takes a leadership role in promoting see, for example, the cage on the batting helmet. Perhaps if next year the proposal gets cut down to P, 1B, 3B, it will pass. And PLEASE do not lecture me on the 'its over officiating' or 'its Mommy and Daddys business' - I would prefer NEVER to see a bunch of 'bloody chiclets' out there. With a kid 12-13-14 crying in pain. If it takes me another minute or two of checking, instead of schmoozing with my partner, so be it....
Sorry, but that is ridiculous. What they are suggesting IS called parenting. And if you are aware of the hassles which were endured by ASA and the teams with the face masks on the batting helmet, you wouldn't even suggest we go through that again.

If memory serves me correctly, these proposals were rejected on Consent, did not come up for discussion in some committees due to a lack of a motion and never saw the floor.

AtlUmpSteve Fri Nov 13, 2009 01:36am

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Originally Posted by ASA/NYSSOBLUE (Post 635892)
Kind of surprised that the face mask didn't pass - that usually is the sort of safety thing that ASA usually takes a leadership role in promoting see, for example, the cage on the batting helmet. Perhaps if next year the proposal gets cut down to P, 1B, 3B, it will pass. And PLEASE do not lecture me on the 'its over officiating' or 'its Mommy and Daddys business' - I would prefer NEVER to see a bunch of 'bloody chiclets' out there. With a kid 12-13-14 crying in pain. If it takes me another minute or two of checking, instead of schmoozing with my partner, so be it....

It was, in fact proposed 3 different ways; just pitchers, F1-F3-F5, and all infielders. All were rejected by consent agenda, and all subcommittees.

wadeintothem Fri Nov 13, 2009 09:08am

And I'm thankful for that. I've not noticed a shortage of mommies and daddies at games, so they can parent their own kid.


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