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CecilOne Mon Oct 05, 2009 07:55am
catcher take down
 
I know we've discussed all the possible runner/fielder plays before, but please save me a long search and opine about this.

Runners at 3rd, 2nd; fly ball to center. Both runners tag, throw comes home.
R1 upright beats the throw, but slips on plate and goes feet first past the plate into the catcher who goes down.
R2 about 2/3 of the way to 3rd, but catcher is flat on the ground and can't throw.

NCASAUmp Mon Oct 05, 2009 08:15am
I've got nothing.

RadioBlue Mon Oct 05, 2009 09:47am
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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 628883)
I've got nothing.
Me, too.

Ref Ump Welsch Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:51am
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Originally Posted by RadioBlue (Post 628916)
Me, too.
Me three. :p

NCASAUmp Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:14am
Ump law.

Dakota Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:19am
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Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 628880)
I know we've discussed all the possible runner/fielder plays before, but please save me a long search and opine about this.

Runners at 3rd, 2nd; fly ball to center. Both runners tag, throw comes home.
R1 upright beats the throw, but slips on plate and goes feet first past the plate into the catcher who goes down.
R2 about 2/3 of the way to 3rd, but catcher is flat on the ground and can't throw.
Was it a legal slide? :D

7in60 Tue Oct 06, 2009 08:28pm
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Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 628880)
I know we've discussed all the possible runner/fielder plays before, but please save me a long search and opine about this.

Runners at 3rd, 2nd; fly ball to center. Both runners tag, throw comes home.
R1 upright beats the throw, but slips on plate and goes feet first past the plate into the catcher who goes down.
R2 about 2/3 of the way to 3rd, but catcher is flat on the ground and can't throw.
Interference, send the runner back to third.

wadeintothem Tue Oct 06, 2009 08:44pm
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Originally Posted by 7in60 (Post 629355)
Interference, send the runner back to third.
Based on......?

IRISHMAFIA Tue Oct 06, 2009 09:10pm
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Originally Posted by 7in60 (Post 629355)
Interference, send the runner back to third.
I wouldn't call INT on a bet, but if you do, you have to call the runner out, not return to 3B.

CecilOne Wed Oct 07, 2009 02:52pm
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Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 628880)
I know we've discussed all the possible runner/fielder plays before, but please save me a long search and opine about this.

Runners at 3rd, 2nd; fly ball to center. Both runners tag, throw comes home.
R1 upright beats the throw, but slips on plate and goes feet first past the plate into the catcher who goes down.
R2 about 2/3 of the way to 3rd, but catcher is flat on the ground and can't throw.
Isn't there interference with the very possible play at 3rd on R2?

IRISHMAFIA Wed Oct 07, 2009 05:30pm
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Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 629505)
Isn't there interference with the very possible play at 3rd on R2?
Where is the act of interference by the runner?

CecilOne Wed Oct 07, 2009 05:46pm
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 629518)
Where is the act of interference by the runner?
goes feet first past the plate into the catcher who goes down.
R2 about 2/3 of the way to 3rd, but catcher is flat on the ground and can't throw.

wadeintothem Wed Oct 07, 2009 06:35pm
For there to be (Crash) interference, the runner would have had to remain upright.

this is more like an unintentional slide.

Are you looking for a different type of INT on this?

IRISHMAFIA Wed Oct 07, 2009 08:08pm
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Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 629521)
goes feet first past the plate into the catcher who goes down.
R2 about 2/3 of the way to 3rd, but catcher is flat on the ground and can't throw.
Still looking for an act of interference.

What the hell is the catcher doing somewhere they never should have been?:D

If the player came in sliding and went past the plate, the same would have happened. You cannot expect a runner to slow down and place themself in a position to be put out just so they do not accidently run/slide into a player out of position.

Now, if the catcher was out in front of the plate and was swept by the runner, INT is quite possible. But simply slipping on the plate....

CecilOne Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:51am
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 629532)
What the hell is the catcher doing somewhere they never should have been?:D
Why "never should have been", when covering the plate on the throw home trying to get R1?

Quote:
Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 629532)
If the player came in sliding and went past the plate, the same would have happened. You cannot expect a runner to slow down and place themself in a position to be put out just so they do not accidently run/slide into a player out of position.
The runner went into the catcher, regardless of sliding or not, accidently or not. How is the catcher out of position?

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 629532)
Now, if the catcher was out in front of the plate and was swept by the runner, INT is quite possible. But simply slipping on the plate....
Why does which side of the plate matter?


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