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NCASAUmp Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:11pm

Would you allow this (ASA)?
 
Take a look at this picture. Ignore the cone-shape to it. Would you allow this on a bat? The ring is for the finger, and it's supposed to come off the bat when the bat is dropped. The ring stays on the finger of the batter after the bat is dropped.

http://www.knobcuff.com/images/unplugged.gif

wadeintothem Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:16pm

Thats like the definition of illegal. How do we ignore the cone shape and answer this question?

Umm..

Yes if it wasnt that thing, I would allow it. :cool:

NCASAUmp Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:25pm

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Originally Posted by wadeintothem (Post 620410)
Thats like the definition of illegal. How do we ignore the cone shape and answer this question?

Umm..

Yes if it wasnt that thing, I would allow it. :cool:

I'm focusing more on the aspect that it wraps around the grip and attaches to the batter's hand like a ring, but is meant to come off.

At what point is something meant to be permanently attached or securely taped?

wadeintothem Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:51pm

Um, there is no "or securely taped"

Nothing can be attached in the manner you are describing, taped or otherwise.

IRISHMAFIA Fri Aug 14, 2009 07:17am

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 620409)
Take a look at this picture. Ignore the cone-shape to it. Would you allow this on a bat? The ring is for the finger, and it's supposed to come off the bat when the bat is dropped. The ring stays on the finger of the batter after the bat is dropped.

No. Even though designed to be temporary, it is still attached to the bat during the swing. By being placed where it is, the item in question basically defeats the purpose of the required angle and protrusion of the knob which is set in the rules for the safety of those around the user.

NCASAUmp Fri Aug 14, 2009 08:08am

And that's exactly what I thought. The cone shape alone makes it a "no-go" for ASA, and my opinion on the fact that it attaches in this non-permanent manner is that it's not approved by ASA.

steveshane67 Sat Aug 15, 2009 06:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 620409)
Take a look at this picture. Ignore the cone-shape to it. Would you allow this on a bat? The ring is for the finger, and it's supposed to come off the bat when the bat is dropped. The ring stays on the finger of the batter after the bat is dropped.

http://www.knobcuff.com/images/unplugged.gif

are you talking about thumb protectors? commonly seen in baseball to dampen the vibrations when getting jammed??

Direct ProHitter Thumb Protector Adult | BaseballExpress.com

obviously the rules arent written with knowledge of every product out on the market, if the product violates the spirit of the rule, then disallow it.

The thing that gets me, as a player, is donuts arent allowed. According to the ASA umps in my league, there is a risk of a donut slipping off the BARREL when being swung, thus the injury risk is too high to be allowed. I dont know if anyones ever swung a bat with a donut on it, but you could take 1 million of the most violent cuts ever and that donut wont move an inch.

NCASAUmp Sat Aug 15, 2009 07:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by steveshane67 (Post 620652)
are you talking about thumb protectors? commonly seen in baseball to dampen the vibrations when getting jammed??

Direct ProHitter Thumb Protector Adult | BaseballExpress.com

obviously the rules arent written with knowledge of every product out on the market, if the product violates the spirit of the rule, then disallow it.

The thing that gets me, as a player, is donuts arent allowed. According to the ASA umps in my league, there is a risk of a donut slipping off the BARREL when being swung, thus the injury risk is too high to be allowed. I dont know if anyones ever swung a bat with a donut on it, but you could take 1 million of the most violent cuts ever and that donut wont move an inch.

No, this is different from those thumb protectors. The picture I showed was something that gets attached to the pinky or the ring finger of your down hand, not the thumb of your top hand.

ronald Sun Aug 16, 2009 09:40pm

Are bat cuffs allowed in ASA championship play?

Thanks, Ron

SethPDX Sun Aug 16, 2009 09:43pm

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 620656)
No, this is different from those thumb protectors. The picture I showed was something that gets attached to the pinky or the ring finger of your down hand, not the thumb of your top hand.

I think he's referring to the weighted kind of donut you put on the bat while on deck taking warm-up swings.

IRISHMAFIA Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:25pm

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Originally Posted by ronald (Post 620804)
Are bat cuffs allowed in ASA championship play?

Thanks, Ron

Links or buttons :rolleyes:

NCASAUmp Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SethPDX (Post 620805)
I think he's referring to the weighted kind of donut you put on the bat while on deck taking warm-up swings.

That's not what the link showed... :)

NCASAUmp Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronald (Post 620804)
Are bat cuffs allowed in ASA championship play?

Thanks, Ron

No, they are not.

Andy Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:11am

Quote:

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 620817)
Links or buttons :rolleyes:

I was thinking of the items that Bruce Wayne carried on his utility belt to restrain unruly criminals in Gotham City....

http://www.entertainmentearth.com/im...CDC69146lg.jpg

NCASAUmp Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:14am

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Originally Posted by Andy (Post 620888)
I was thinking of the items that Bruce Wayne carried on his utility belt to restrain unruly criminals in Gotham City....

Definitely not ASA-approved.


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