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NCASAUmp Sat Jun 27, 2009 07:15pm
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Originally Posted by scottk_61
The need to keep our comments short is at a premium.
I have worked a National where an umpire called "Fair Ball."
The confusion that resulted almost caused a riot. (bet you would have never guessed that it was a Men's D).
If the ball is fair and it is real close to the line, POINT! but say nothing.
If a pitch in SP is too high or not high enough say "Illegal" but nothing else.
When you start talking, someone is gonna screw up and you are going to be the one that gets blamed because you opened your trap.
BEEN THERE, DONE THAT! No it wasn't me in the National but I was on the field and had to eject two players because they wanted to beat the PU's a$$. Of course I wanted to do the same thing but he was my partner.
The Tourny UIC was Henry Pollard and he ended up having to get the cops out there to calm the teams down.

Like Mike says, anything you say CAN put the runner in jeopardy and it is your fault.
We all know how much we suck, just ask a fan or a player who isn't playing well.:rolleyes:

If you want to advace your game, don't be a homer and add commentary to plays or to non-verbal calls.
Use your signals and verbals when you are supposed to.
That way you can't be misunderstood.
Crap, don't tell me that! I'm calling the Men's D National this September... :eek:

Tru_in_Blu Sat Jun 27, 2009 07:16pm
After reading my own reply, I wonder how things would have changed if the batter swung and missed the ball altogether.

Since the ball would not have been put into play, would a strike call stand? If anyone thinks that a strike call should stand, why would you think that a ball should be called if the batter hit the ball?

scottk_61 Sat Jun 27, 2009 07:23pm
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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 611099)
Crap, don't tell me that! I'm calling the Men's D National this September... :eek:
Where is it held this year?
The year I did it and this happened, we were way short on umpires and that is when we first went to the now common two man with the BU in B all the time.
I remember starting games at 6:00 AM and not leaving the fields untill 1:30 or 2:00 AM.:(
Long days but we had some more kind of fun too.

NCASAUmp Sat Jun 27, 2009 07:26pm
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Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu (Post 611100)
After reading my own reply, I wonder how things would have changed if the batter swung and missed the ball altogether.

Since the ball would not have been put into play, would a strike call stand? If anyone thinks that a strike call should stand, why would you think that a ball should be called if the batter hit the ball?
I think that in both cases, what happens next depends heavily upon the influence the umpire's screw-up had upon the play. That's the whole point of 10-3-C: that an umpire's mistake does or does not put the offense or defense in jeopardy.

In your case, what would happen next would depend heavily upon whether or not, in my judgment (and that's the key), I felt that my screw-up had any influence upon the batter's actions. If, in my judgment, I believe that I unduly influenced the batter's actions, I might kill the play and award a ball. However, the more likely scenario would be that I'd still count the swing and miss as a strike.

There's a vast difference in being able to field a good 80 MPH line-drive up the middle, and being able to swing a 34" long, 2.25" wide bat at a ball coming towards you at a gentle 8 MPH. :p

NCASAUmp Sat Jun 27, 2009 07:28pm
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Originally Posted by scottk_61 (Post 611102)
Where is it held this year?
The year I did it and this happened, we were way short on umpires and that is when we first went to the now common two man with the BU in B all the time.
I remember starting games at 6:00 AM and not leaving the fields untill 1:30 or 2:00 AM.:(
Long days but we had some more kind of fun too.
You're killing me, Scott!

More specifically, I'm going to the Men's D Eastern National in Salem, VA.

Does anyone else notice the oxymoron?

scottk_61 Sat Jun 27, 2009 07:35pm
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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 611104)
You're killing me, Scott!

More specifically, I'm going to the Men's D Eastern National in Salem, VA.

Does anyone else notice the oxymoron?
You will have a good time, don't worry.
What happened to us was a bunch of no show umpires that caused the schedule to get messed up as well as a whole lot of Central Florida downpours that made the fields sloppy for a while.

Have fun, listen to the whining, you can hear it now..........
Nah, at the Nationals, most of the whining is far less than you will hear any other time.
Just be ready for the bat issues, happens every year.

Who is your UIC?
Get in touch with him/her and be prepped.

NCASAUmp Sat Jun 27, 2009 07:58pm
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Originally Posted by scottk_61 (Post 611105)
You will have a good time, don't worry.
What happened to us was a bunch of no show umpires that caused the schedule to get messed up as well as a whole lot of Central Florida downpours that made the fields sloppy for a while.

Have fun, listen to the whining, you can hear it now..........
Nah, at the Nationals, most of the whining is far less than you will hear any other time.
Just be ready for the bat issues, happens every year.

Who is your UIC?
Get in touch with him/her and be prepped.
Oh, I'm not worried too much about it. Honestly, the only thing I'm worried about is having to buy more pants. Some of you might remember that I quit smoking back in January, and I went up a pant size. Unfortunately, that means that all of those heather greys I bought last year will no longer fit, assuming that's what we're using this year (haven't received my packet yet). I believe Mark I. from the NUS is the UIC this time around.

IRISHMAFIA Sat Jun 27, 2009 08:52pm
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Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu (Post 611100)
After reading my own reply, I wonder how things would have changed if the batter swung and missed the ball altogether.

Since the ball would not have been put into play, would a strike call stand? If anyone thinks that a strike call should stand, why would you think that a ball should be called if the batter hit the ball?
It would be nothing because there was..............................anybody? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

ronald Sat Jun 27, 2009 09:41pm
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 611110)
It would be nothing because there was..............................anybody? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
a no pitch called by the umpire. the ball became dead. thus, it is irrelevant what the batter does. the ball is dead, dead and more dead. you must enforce the ip cause ASA has already said you do so when an ip is followed by a no pitch call. if the batter hit it out of the park, nothing, no home run and then scott's fum starts again. Say what you are suppose to say and only when you are suppose to.

Well I am going to go dig up my 2009 nus drill book and shoot an email to the head honcho cause somebody will only listen to him. If he agrees with somebody, the rest will have to eat crow.

youngump Sun Jun 28, 2009 10:29am
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Originally Posted by ronald (Post 611115)
a no pitch called by the umpire. the ball became dead. thus, it is irrelevant what the batter does. the ball is dead, dead and more dead. you must enforce the ip cause ASA has already said you do so when an ip is followed by a no pitch call.
When has ASA ever said this for slow pitch?
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ronald Sun Jun 28, 2009 04:37pm
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Originally Posted by youngump (Post 611160)
When has ASA ever said this for slow pitch?
When has ASA ever ruled a do-over? Never. So now take all info you have about IP followed by no pitch and you are left with only one thing to do.


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