ump calls infield fly, but it is not
I have never seen this but have thought about it and do not know how it works in SB compared to FB and basketball. In FB and BB you can have an inadvertent whistle, with rules accordingly. Do you have such in SB if there is a situation like 2 outs, runners on 1st and 2nd and on a fly ball to the infield an one of the umpires yells "infield fly, batter is out." So, what do you do now?
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Advance all runners 1 base (as long as ball is fair and not caught) due to force.
I believe some on here call this "The God Rule". |
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10-3-C, however, covers where the plate umpire can rectify a situation where a delayed call or a reversal in a call (in this case, reversing the call of an IFF) puts the defense or offense in jeopardy. At this point, a certain amount of discretionary judgment becomes involved, where the plate umpire must reasonably judge how to properly "fix" the situation. |
OK, I must be missing something. The post said TWO outs - you can't advance the runners due to the force and still call the batter out. That adds up to THREE outs by my math.
In my opinion, this is one of those situations when the players and coaches really are supposed to know the rules. The infield fly call mechanic is really just confirmation that (1) we are aware of the situation, and (2) that it's an "infield" fly vs. a ball too far past the basepaths for IF to apply. In this situation, the batter must know that IF does not apply with 2 outs; his coaches must know and yell at her/him to keep running. The God Rule does not provide for do-overs. |
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My comments were directed toward the situation as posted which did NOT specify whether a play could have been made at 1B (or any other base). It seemed the situation was suggesting that BR stopped running when she heard "infield fly, batter is out".
Can't put BR on first if a play was made at any base - that's out number 3. So that's what I was referring to - what do we do if the IF call resulted in the BR not running? That's where my comments about the offense (and defense) need to know the situation came into play 'cause we can't say "I messed up, BR you get first" if the defense made an easy play because she stopped running at the call. Does that make more sense now as to where I was going with this line of thinking? |
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So since the PU f'ed up, s/he now has to fix it. If the ball wasn't caught, put the BR on 1B and advance any forced runners. If the ball WAS caught, then none of this matters, as the defense still made the out, and the BR's actions are irrelevant. |
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The judgement is what affect the call had on offense or defense. In the OP, let's say the ball is not caught. If the effect is the BR does not get to 1st, then it probably should be awarded if it appeared she would have made it otherwise. Same goes for the other runners. Then we have to judge whether the fielder who got the ball would have an out on another runner w/o being fooled by the call. If so, as above, probably judge the defense in jeopardy and count the out. Really tough to guess an out though, so it would have to be real obvious. |
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1. The BR stops running. 2. The other runners believe the force is removed so they hang back closer to their base than they otherwise would, and may not advance at all if the ball is not caught. It is also possible the defense will not make a throw for a force out, depriving them of an out. In the OP situation, this bad stuff only matters if the ball is not caught. |
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Although not likely, the fielder may not bother to catch the "easy" pop up right in front of them.
In the heat of the moment, fielder's brain may register "hmm, IFF, batters out - Ok, I'll just go to the dugout because there are already 2 outs." Obviosly, not a correct thought, but................. |
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