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derwil Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:24pm

Well.....I finally got one
 
Ran my first coach last weekend. 14 years in Basketball, no one even comes close. 6 months of SB and BOOM, out he goes....

Coach was ranting (by my observation justifiably) about a put out at 1st base that was the 3rd out. As soon as my partner rang the girl up who appeared to be safe by 2 steps I sad to myself.....crap. Here we go.

Traveling from 1st base CB to 3B dugout......"you guys suck...bunch of jacka$$es..." Your gone coach -tell it to the bus driver! It was a college exposure tourney so I felt bad for the girls that he was acting like that. I'm sure it wasn't his first trip to the parking lot though.

Oh well....now that milestone's past I've gotta get me one in B-Ball!!! :p

MichaelVA2000 Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:37pm

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Originally Posted by derwil (Post 608418)
Ran my first coach last weekend. 14 years in Basketball, no one even comes close. 6 months of SB and BOOM, out he goes....

Coach was ranting (by my observation justifiably) about a put out at 1st base that was the 3rd out. As soon as my partner rang the girl up who appeared to be safe by 2 steps I sad to myself.....crap. Here we go.

Traveling from 1st base CB to 3B dugout......"you guys suck...bunch of jacka$$es..." Your gone coach -tell it to the bus driver! It was a college exposure tourney so I felt bad for the girls that he was acting like that. I'm sure it wasn't his first trip to the parking lot though.

Oh well....now that milestone's past I've gotta get me one in B-Ball!!! :p

When they want to go, you've got to allow it to happen.

wadeintothem Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:06am

yep, even if you guys are stinkin it up, hes not allowed to say so in that manner. ;)

steveshane67 Fri Jun 12, 2009 09:33am

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Originally Posted by derwil (Post 608418)
Traveling from 1st base CB to 3B dugout......"you guys suck...bunch of jacka$$es..."

Just out of curiosity, was it the jack*ss comment that got him rung? lets say he said bunch of amateurs instead, or thats terrible, or even thats f'n terrible, is he still gone?

what if they laugh at you?

Tim Duncan ejected for laughing (video) | Daily Contributor

NCASAUmp Fri Jun 12, 2009 09:38am

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Originally Posted by steveshane67 (Post 608474)
Just out of curiosity, was it the jack*ss comment that got him rung? lets say he said bunch of amateurs instead, or thats terrible, or even thats f'n terrible, is he still gone?

what if they laugh at you?

Tim Duncan ejected for laughing (video) | Daily Contributor

If you're an umpire, then you ought to know better than to ask that question.

It's never what they say. It's how they say it.

CecilOne Fri Jun 12, 2009 09:43am

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 608477)
If you're an umpire, then you ought to know better than to ask that question.

It's never what they say. It's how they say it.

Even if you agree. :(

NCASAUmp Fri Jun 12, 2009 09:47am

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Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 608479)
Even if you agree. :(

Yeah, well... Just because you boned up a call doesn't mean a coach has the right to be disrespectful towards you. Period.

I don't get disrespectful towards a coach when he screws up and gets his team crushed, do I? Hell no.

CecilOne Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:46am

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 608480)
Yeah, well... Just because you boned up a call doesn't mean a coach has the right to be disrespectful towards you. Period.

I don't get disrespectful towards a coach when he screws up and gets his team crushed, do I? Hell no.

It was not a question. But I clicked the wrong icon. s/b ;)

NCASAUmp Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:48am

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Originally Posted by CecilOne (Post 608489)
It was not a question. But I clicked the wrong icon. s/b ;)

Ahhh... Gotcha. :)

steveshane67 Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:25pm

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 608477)
If you're an umpire, then you ought to know better than to ask that question.

It's never what they say. It's how they say it.

Im a newbie umpire, just wanted to know someone else perspective on tossing players/coaches. You always hear commentators for pro sports say so and so said the "magic words" and got tossed.

As a player, I never swear at an ump, although if a call was really bad I may use a curse word for effect, like "you gotta be sh*ttin me"

on a side note, the best one I ever heard was in a baseball game, ump calls strike 3 on a ball that was at the batters eyes, the batter says a bunch of things among them was "bring you dog to the game next time" intimating the ump uses a seeing eye dog.

IRISHMAFIA Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:33pm

"you"

Welpe Fri Jun 12, 2009 01:11pm

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Originally Posted by steveshane67 (Post 608514)
Im a newbie umpire, just wanted to know someone else perspective on tossing players/coaches. You always hear commentators for pro sports say so and so said the "magic words" and got tossed.

Magic words for me are (amongst others) anything questioning my integrity and trying to intimidate me through scheduling.

Quote:

on a side note, the best one I ever heard was in a baseball game, ump calls strike 3 on a ball that was at the batters eyes, the batter says a bunch of things among them was "bring you dog to the game next time" intimating the ump uses a seeing eye dog.
That'll more than likely get him ran.

NCASAUmp Fri Jun 12, 2009 01:11pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 608517)
"you"

Hang on... I need to turn on my text-to-speech to read that, Mike... :D

NCASAUmp Fri Jun 12, 2009 01:13pm

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Originally Posted by steveshane67 (Post 608514)
on a side note, the best one I ever heard was in a baseball game, ump calls strike 3 on a ball that was at the batters eyes, the batter says a bunch of things among them was "bring you dog to the game next time" intimating the ump uses a seeing eye dog.

"Gladly! He's a Doberman, loves eating (I mean meeting) coaches, and is certainly better-behaved than you. See ya, coach!"

rwest Fri Jun 12, 2009 01:14pm

Yes, but....
 
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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 608480)
Yeah, well... Just because you boned up a call doesn't mean a coach has the right to be disrespectful towards you. Period.

I don't get disrespectful towards a coach when he screws up and gets his team crushed, do I? Hell no.

You are operating under the delusion that it is a reciprocal street. It's not. It's a one way street. The coaches can make all the coaching errors they want. However, we can not make any!

NCASAUmp Fri Jun 12, 2009 01:41pm

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Originally Posted by rwest (Post 608529)
You are operating under the delusion that it is a reciprocal street. It's not. It's a one way street. The coaches can make all the coaching errors they want. However, we can not make any!

You are operating under the delusion that I'm delusional about it being a two-way street.

However, the respect is a two-way street. I respect coaches. I may not like them, and they may not like me. There are teams that I don't like. There are teams that I can barely stand. There are players that I downright loathe. There are games that I work that, upon my arrival, a part of me groans when I see who is playing whom.

However, at the start of each new game, each team has my respect. By that, I mean that I will speak to them respectfully. I will not speak down to them by addressing men as "son" or "boy," or by addressing women as "honey," "sweetie, or darlin'." I will, regardless of any history, give each participant a "fresh start." I will do everything in my power as a human being (flawed as I may be) to not allow any past or current grievances to unduly influence my judgment or rule interpretations.

I am a professional.

I expect and demand the same from the teams. If the participants of the game do not afford me the same respect I give to them, then the game breaks down, and I will do what I can to preserve the integrity of the game. If that means that players or coaches must leave, then so be it.

The bottom line is: if you respect my role in the game, I will extend you the same respect.

rwest Fri Jun 12, 2009 01:47pm

You took me way too seriously....
 
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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 608544)
You are operating under the delusion that I'm delusional about it being a two-way street.

However, the respect is a two-way street. I respect coaches. I may not like them, and they may not like me. There are teams that I don't like. There are teams that I can barely stand. There are players that I downright loathe. There are games that I work that, upon my arrival, a part of me groans when I see who is playing whom.

However, at the start of each new game, each team has my respect. By that, I mean that I will speak to them respectfully. I will not speak down to them by addressing men as "son" or "boy," or by addressing women as "honey," "sweetie, or darlin'." I will, regardless of any history, give each participant a "fresh start." I will do everything in my power as a human being (flawed as I may be) to not allow any past or current grievances to unduly influence my judgment or rule interpretations.

I am a professional.

I expect and demand the same from the teams. If the participants of the game do not afford me the same respect I give to them, then the game breaks down, and I will do what I can to preserve the integrity of the game. If that means that players or coaches must leave, then so be it.

The bottom line is: if you respect my role in the game, I will extend you the same respect.

I agree completely. I should have put a smiley behind my comment! It was meant as a joke.

NCASAUmp Fri Jun 12, 2009 01:52pm

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Originally Posted by rwest (Post 608549)
I agree completely. I should have put a smiley behind my comment! It was meant as a joke.

Oh, I know you weren't that serious. :)

However, the reality is that we, unfortunately, do have to deal with those idiots who do not extend respect our way. They loathe us, they curse us and they scorn us. We are the "necessary evil" that, if the coaches had their way, would be replaced with robots with high-speed cameras in a heartbeat.

And the coaches would STILL complain that the call was wrong! :D

NCASAUmp Fri Jun 12, 2009 01:56pm

Here's an example of said machine. ;)

rwest Fri Jun 12, 2009 01:58pm

Patent Pending....
 
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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 608551)
Here's an example of said machine. ;)

Obviously the patent holder is not an umpire based on this statement:

Therefore, it is possible to determine if a pitch was a strike or a ball by noting where the ball has impacted upon the ground.

Edited to note: There are other comments that make me believe this individual is not an umpire. The one above was just the first that stood out to me.

rwest Fri Jun 12, 2009 01:59pm

Yep
 
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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 608550)
Oh, I know you weren't that serious. :)

However, the reality is that we, unfortunately, do have to deal with those idiots who do not extend respect our way. They loathe us, they curse us and they scorn us. We are the "necessary evil" that, if the coaches had their way, would be replaced with robots with high-speed cameras in a heartbeat.

And the coaches would STILL complain that the call was wrong! :D

Officiating (whatever sport) is the only job you are expected to be 100% correct the first day on the job.

HugoTafurst Fri Jun 12, 2009 02:13pm

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Originally Posted by rwest (Post 608553)
Officiating (whatever sport) is the only job you are expected to be 100% correct the first day on the job.

And then improve

NCASAUmp Fri Jun 12, 2009 02:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwest (Post 608552)
Obviously the patent holder is not an umpire based on this statement:

Therefore, it is possible to determine if a pitch was a strike or a ball by noting where the ball has impacted upon the ground.

Edited to note: There are other comments that make me believe this individual is not an umpire. The one above was just the first that stood out to me.

And it's for this very reason that we are unlikely to be replaced anytime soon. :D

IRISHMAFIA Fri Jun 12, 2009 02:20pm

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 608550)
We are the "necessary evil" that, if the coaches had their way, would be replaced with robots with high-speed cameras in a heartbeat.

Until they have to pay for it.


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