Arizona/Stanford game last night.
 

Anyone watch the game see the play in I think the bottom of the 4th. Stanford had runners on 1st and 2nd and I think there was 0 outs. Ground ball hit to F3 batter-runner instead of running into tag stops then takes 2 small steps backward and is then tagged out. Batter is out and runners that advanced to 2nd and 3rd returned to original bases.

Is this an NCAA rule or is it an ASA rule? I had never heard of this before.

Didn't see it. I was calling games last night, but got to watch the game starting in the bottom of the 5th. Saw Stanford spank Arizona in the 5th with 6 runs. :cool:

Well, it is certainly an ASA rule.

I think it is an everybody rule!

That was my friend Kevin Davis and he nailed it!

12.4 Batter-Runner Is Out
The batter-runner is out:
12.4.11 When she steps back toward home plate to avoid or delay a tag by a
fielder.
EFFECT—The ball is dead. Each runner must return to the last base
legally touched at the time of the pitch.

So how many of us have ever called this rule? I've yet to do so.

Once, a long time ago in a Men's SP league and was he loaded! Didn't even know I had called him out.

A couple of times at lower levels. I'm really suprised that it happended at such a high level. Thats a rec league move.

The talking heads thought she didn't know the rule. I was of the belief that she just reacted without thinking.

Didn't hurt the team in the end, but it wasn't the best time to pull a Chris Webber.

I have, more than a few times. But, as wade noted, rarely at the higher levels!

I have no idea what pulling a Chris Webber is... :cool:

It is what to UCLA out of the WS 5 or 6 years ago

ask.com / wiki challenged?

"Pulling a chris webber" did not bring that up on google :cool:

Kevin Davis is an amazing official!! And yes he did nail it!!
Runners return to the last base touched at the time of the pitch. So correct ruling was applied. Mark how did your regional go? And how is Ken doing?
DJ

Since I'm kinda still in someone's doghouse, I don't get recommended for any regionals. I did, however, get the plate on the MIAC conference tourney final between St. Thomas and Gustavus.

Ken is doing a little better. They are trying to find a way to fly him home. I think they have a service that is going to help. Do you visit his caring bridge site?

I thought i saw your name on a regional list but i ve been wrong before. Congrats on your plate! All in due time the creator of the doghouse will be in his own...lol Whats the link to Kens site? Have not been there since i signed the guest book after the accident.

Exactly - I think the walls are already built. Just waiting for the sign above the opening.

CaringBridge / comicdude / Welcome

I saw it. Damn good call and you know when the talking heads get it right, even the 8 yo in the stands knew what happened. Everyone by the BR knew what happened. From the coach's reaction, I think he expected the BR to know better.

The talking heads, of course, couldn't leave it alone and analyzed the **** out of the play to the point of idiocy, but we should not be surprised by that.

I am a firm believer that every network should assign an asst. producer to every booth with a queue card for the announcers that simply states, "Shut the **** up!"

Mike, admit it, you're secretly hoping that John Kruk will be on hand to provide color commentary again in this years WCWS. :D

The sad part is that even with his little ball-based analogies, he was still closer to the target then the softball "experts".

You could twitter them and tell them what you think. Imagine the talking heads getting 20-30 twitters about a play. They might learn something and share it with the public.

There are enough twits involved already, don't need to add to it.

What are their twitter names?

For anyone else on Twitter, I'm @macguyinnc.

Heaven forbid they know the rules of the game they're being paid to discuss on TV. :(

They're not paid to know the rules. They're there to fill up dead air with hot air.

Great call...bonehead play....

Ive only enforced it in adult SP and 10u ASA.....

Like someone said..everyone over 8 knew it...just a bonehead move by the runner...

I have never had a burning desire to be THAT connected!

I'm a geek. It's my job. :)

@sandbflag

Not that it matters on this board, but I think it's an everybody SB rule, however, I seem to remember it is not the same in BB.

Yes, in an ASA 16U qualifier. And I let R1 from 2B stay on 3rd, as she reached it before the step back. I sent R2 back to 1st (she was slow). OC questioned, but was fairly easily convinced.

BTW, the rule IS different in NCAA. College runners return to the bases occupied at TOP.

ASA needs to change it to TOP, by allowing base at time she stepped back they still allow a benefit to it. Personally, I will always send them back to TOP. Yes a rule I will not enforce properly in ASA, shame on me.

Why should ASA change it, because you disagree?

How about the NCAA changing it to where it has been for at least the past 73 years when the ball is put into play, at the time of the INT.

And on a softball board I have absolutely no concern about a game that isn't being discussed.

Because I disagree is the best reason I can think of :cool: But another reason is that if you don't send them back to TOP there is really no realpenalty attached to it (other than BR being out, which she will be anyway).

Didn't mean to get you all riled up Irish! :D

The penalty is an automatic out attained by the defense without actually executing a tag.

Just because the defense fields the batted ball doesn't mean the BR is automatically out. Why should the runners NOT be allowed to advance while the defense is attempting to execute the play?

This is a rule which exists merely for the purpose of protecting defense players from their own stupidity. The delay is a voluntary action by the defense just like a 2B chasing a runner forced to 2B back to 1B instead of just flipping the ball to F6. The only reason the BR is out and the runner isn't for this action is because s/he has no base to achieve safely at home plate.

So, why should the team not making the stupid moves be overly penalized for the opponent's ineptness?