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AtlUmpSteve Tue May 19, 2009 11:03am
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Originally Posted by SRW (Post 603136)
After the 3rd out is made (in error or not), is the ball not dead?
I know of an 18 Gold national Champion (Worth Firecrackers) that ALWAYS made the next play, even with two outs, so that the umpire judgment in the event of a changed call like this could never advance a runner that didn't.

That said, this can't be judged like an interference call that kills everything even one inch from the next base. If a call is reversed, 10.3-C makes clear the plate umpire is intended to use the best possible judgment to negate (rectify) the jeopardy. If the run would have absolutely scored, in the best judgment of the umpire, home should be awarded. If it is unclear what the result at home would be, put her back on third. No, Youngump (yes, I know you were being facetious, but some reader may think you were serious), you cannot assume an out.

Andy Tue May 19, 2009 12:08pm
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Originally Posted by youngump (Post 603145)
How about this? BU quickly sells an off the bag call. F3 spins and throws to F2. F2 tags the runner coming home. So how about as PU you just announce the inning is over anyway :rolleyes::p;)
I'm not sure if you're just giving me grief, or you are comletely disagreeing with my position.

I'm taking the OP at face value...the runner was two steps from home.

As I picture this play, there is no way in hell that a throw from F3 is going to get to F2 in time to get an out. This play and answer to the OP seems very simple to me with the information provided taken at face value.

Dakota Tue May 19, 2009 12:12pm
Well, you could also assume that the runner was going to step over the plate and be in jeopardy of being out on appeal! :D:D:D

youngump Tue May 19, 2009 12:18pm
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Originally Posted by Andy (Post 603168)
I'm not sure if you're just giving me grief, or you are comletely disagreeing with my position.
Mostly I'm not quite taking the OP at face value and as a result being flippant; that's the reason for all the emoticons. In general, with a 1-2-3 double play, the runner from 2nd does not have a shot at getting home.
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IRISHMAFIA Tue May 19, 2009 12:30pm
Another twist before giving the defense the entire bag of "jeopardy" widgets.

Who is to say the BU's original call did not cause the runner to slow assuming the inning was over and any further advance futile?

FTR, I don't buy the point that the runner covered that much territory in the time noted, but the OP is all with which we have to work.

FWIW, I am one of the "halfway" advocates when the ball is declared dead for reasons not of the offense's making.

CecilOne Wed May 20, 2009 01:59pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy (Post 603143)
How about this...what would have (likely) happened if the "right" call was made in the first place?

The right call being that F3 did not have contact with the base before the runner touched first.

Run scores, two outs, runners on first and either second or third, next batter, please.
Thank you, thank you, thank you ! :cool:

MichaelVA2000 Thu May 21, 2009 11:15am
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Originally Posted by CajunNewBlue (Post 603081)
how much is the troll toll? (cant be very much... due to the increase in traffic lately) ;):D
All it takes is the ignore coin.;)


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