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GaryBarrentine Wed May 06, 2009 04:48pm

Crow hop or not?
 
ASA 10U Rec. ball.

Pitcher has ball of pivot foot on pitcher's plate, close to the right edge, when she starts the pitch. She moves her pivot foot to the center of the pitcher's plate, but now the heel of the pivot foot is on the pitcher's plate, then she pushes off and drags pivot foot properly.

Is this a crow hop?

HugoTafurst Wed May 06, 2009 04:55pm

No.
What would make it an illegal pitch?

wadeintothem Wed May 06, 2009 11:56pm

If my partner called an IP for that and ruined a strike in 10U rec, I would throw my hat at him and start kicking dirt and maybe, just maybe, crawl on the ground and hand grenade him with my clicker.

MichaelVA2000 Thu May 07, 2009 12:26am

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Originally Posted by wadeintothem (Post 600229)
with my clicker.

Clicker? Is that like a party favor?:D

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wadeintothem Thu May 07, 2009 12:47am

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Originally Posted by MichaelVA2000 (Post 600234)

No! Thats not a clicker.
A clicker is a device used to irritate other umpires. ;)

Its kinda like yelling dead ball in middle of a baseball game! :D

Chess Ref Thu May 07, 2009 06:18am

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Originally Posted by MichaelVA2000 (Post 600234)

I always use "indicator "to irritate and frustrate other blues, when I'm in that kind of mood. :rolleyes:

CajunNewBlue Thu May 07, 2009 07:49am

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Originally Posted by GaryBarrentine (Post 600176)
ASA 10U Rec. ball.

Pitcher has ball of pivot foot on pitcher's plate, close to the right edge, when she starts the pitch. She moves her pivot foot to the center of the pitcher's plate, but now the heel of the pivot foot is on the pitcher's plate, then she pushes off and drags pivot foot properly.

Is this a crow hop?

wish all pitchers would pitch this clean.... then i could eat hot dogs while on the bases.

GaryBarrentine Thu May 07, 2009 08:20am

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Originally Posted by HugoTafurst (Post 600178)
No.
What would make it an illegal pitch?

Because the pivot foot move forward about 2 to 3 inches when it was move to the center of the pitchers plate.

Is that legal in ASA?

Thanks

GaryB

CajunNewBlue Thu May 07, 2009 08:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryBarrentine (Post 600273)
Because the pivot foot move forward about 2 to 3 inches when it was move to the center of the pitchers plate.

Is that legal in ASA?

Thanks

GaryB

As stated in the OP the heel of pivot foot was still on the rubber... im 99.999% sure that even in ASA that's still legal. ;)

Dakota Thu May 07, 2009 09:09am

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Originally Posted by cajunnewblue (Post 600277)
as stated in the op the heel of pivot foot was still on the rubber... Im 99.999% sure that even in asa that's still legal. ;)

+.001% ;)

Andy Thu May 07, 2009 09:46am

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Originally Posted by wadeintothem (Post 600238)
No! Thats not a clicker.
A clicker is a device used to irritate other umpires. ;)

For those of you that have been around for awhile.....

On McGriffs several years ago, we used to refer to it as an....

indamaclickerthingy

AtlUmpSteve Thu May 07, 2009 10:13am

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaryBarrentine (Post 600273)
Because the pivot foot move forward about 2 to 3 inches when it was move to the center of the pitchers plate.

Is that legal in ASA?

Thanks

GaryB

It is legal in EVERY brand of softball that I know about for the pitcher to slide the pivot foot across the pitching plate, in any direction, so long as there is still contact when she starts to push and drag. Only if she slides off, and pushes from a spot OTHER than the pitching plate is it illegal.

Skahtboi Thu May 07, 2009 10:16am

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Originally Posted by Andy (Post 600301)

On McGriffs several years ago, we used to refer to it as an....

indamaclickerthingy

No. YOU used to refer to it that way!

Andy Thu May 07, 2009 10:19am

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Originally Posted by Skahtboi (Post 600314)
No. YOU used to refer to it that way!

Actually, I believe it was a gentleman named Ed who coined the term.

He was a slowpitch umpire who used to have some great stories about the antics of the players in the AA (alleged adult) leagues he called.

IRISHMAFIA Thu May 07, 2009 10:24am

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve (Post 600310)
It is legal in EVERY brand of softball that I know about for the pitcher to slide the pivot foot across the pitching plate, in any direction, so long as there is still contact when she starts to push and drag. Only if she slides off, and pushes from a spot OTHER than the pitching plate is it illegal.

I think what some are looking for in this case is an IP call for the pitcher lifting her heel off the PP while in the act of delivering the pitch prior to the release of the ball.

IMO, that is not an IP.


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