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After the IP call...
What do you do?
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I was mostly thinking about the High School FP game.
When you call it you always get the looks and normally it is easy as the coach will come up to you and ask what was illegal and you tell him, he calls time and tells his pitcher. I have head the pitcher look over and ask though and I just wanted to see what everyone else does. |
In HS varsity, I would not explain anything to anyone unless asked. If the coach does not ask, my assumption is he knows what his pitcher did wrong.
In lower levels of play, I may ask the coach and F1 if they know what F1 did wrong. Many times, the coach will ask first, and after the explanation, ... (wait for it....) "She's been doing that all season and you're the first one to call that." |
I have much the same approach as Tom, though even at the lower levels I will wait to be asked.
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But what if it is the pitcher who looks over and asks and not the coach?
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If the player asks, I will call the coach out to the circle and inform both of them at the same time.
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Our association's procedure is to call time and ask the pitcher is she knows what she did wrong.
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You are correct as far as I am concerned. However, if you tell a coach and then accompany him to the circle as he tells the player, this would still fall under the domain of an official's time out. Now, if you don't go out there with him, and have no idea what instruction he may be giving apart from the IP, then you would probably have to charge him a conference. That is where preventative umpiring, i.e. walking to the circle with the coach, comes in handy! |
I'm not here to give a rules and mechanics clinic about pitching. Call it, then remain silent unless asked by either DC or F1. Explain it to them when asked. If DC talks to F1, it's a conference (unless he pulls F1... ;) )
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It is to the umpire's benefit as much as the player to make them aware of what you have ruled illegal. |
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Rule 1 - Charged Conference 5.7[B] |
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BU: IP F1: What did I do? BU tells F1, then returns to play. DC: Blue, what did she do? BU tells DC. DC: Can I talk to my F1 about this? BU: Sure coach, but it'll cost you a conference. At that point, I've already informed F1 and DC about the infraction. If DC wants to talk to F1, I'm charging a conference. I don't see how RS 9C gets me out of not charging it in this situation. |
I will answer whoever asks (coach or player only) and then will accompany the coach to the circle if he/she goes, telling him/her that I'm avoiding a charged conference, but to talk only about the IP.
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Is there a basis for the coach talking to the umpire? Is there a basis for the player AND the coach talking to the umpire? Don't OOO this. You're not going to have a serious outbreak of intentional IPs in order to get a free conference. |
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Suppose a runner was about to be out on a look back rule violation and the pitcher messes it up by faking a play. Coach comes out arguing for the out. You point out that the pitcher faked a play. Coach now goes to tell the pitcher not to fake plays when the runners are dancing around the bases. Charged conference? ________ Electronic cigarette |
You've not just charged an infraction against the pitcher. This whole thing started with the caveat that handling this varies with the level of play. If we are talking about a level of play where both the coach and the pitcher need my help in understanding what I called, I'm not charging a conference if they happen to speak directly to each other instead of using me as a go-between.
Once my part is done, if they do not end it too, I'd inform them we are ready to play ball, unless the coach wants a charged conference. Then, it is his choice - conference or no. I seriously don't see why this is such a big deal. As I said, there will not be an outbreak of intentional IPs being thrown in order to get a free conference. |
Read Scott's response again, it is the correct answer.
You are correct as far as I am concerned. However, if you tell a coach and then accompany him to the circle as he tells the player, this would still fall under the domain of an official's time out. Now, if you don't go out there with him, and have no idea what instruction he may be giving apart from the IP, then you would probably have to charge him a conference. That is where preventative umpiring, i.e. walking to the circle with the coach, comes in handy! |
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