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BuggBob Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:33am

Who Served
 
Okay, I get kind of misty eyed this time of year (and on November 10) as I recall my entrance in to government service so many years ago. How many of you guys served in the service?

Bugg

Skahtboi Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:35am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuggBob (Post 597438)
Okay, I get kind of misty eyed this time of year (and on November 10) as I recall my entrance in to government service so many years ago. How many of you guys served in the service?

Bugg

Depends on what you are calling "government service." I did a stint working for the USDOL before heading back to education. As an educator, I am pretty much in "GS" as well.

Now are you talking about military service???

IRISHMAFIA Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:59am

PLEASE NOTE: In no way it this directed toward or a knock on anyone who has given any part of their life to the military. All have my utmost respect and admiration.

I did, but often wonder why anyone would give any time to help defend 300MM people only to empower 545. It irritates the hell out of me when groups and organizations in this country "honor" their Vets who fought for our freedom only to turn around and tell us that this word or phrase or action cannot occur without the wrath of our legal system crashing down upon us as it may offend a person or group, often not of our citizenry.

These people tell me that they are grateful for my service just before telling me I have to endure a background investigation before I can enter the same park as a child with whom I will have no private interaction. And if someone raises their voice against such types of action, they MUST have something to hide. Joe McCarthy is well and alive in today's USA.

I have to be sensitive of this person's or that group's culture, heritage or sexual orientation, but I'm not permitted to celebrate mine without being labeled a hate-monger or an enigma upon our society.

Yeah, I served and am almost embarassed by the result.

Sorry to rant, but you asked the question.


545 PEOPLE
By Charlie Reese
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does.

You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

100 senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash.
The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to
determine how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall
of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? Nancy Pelosi.
She is the leader of the majority party.
She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single
domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people.. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.

If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red

If the Army & Marines are in ffice:smarttags" /><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comhttp://forum.officiating.com/ /><st1...y-region w:st=<ST1:place w:st="on">IRAQ</ST1:place></st1:country-region> , it's because they want them in IRAQ

If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.

There are no insoluble government problems.

Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation," or "politics" that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses.

Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.

We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!



wadeintothem Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:47pm

Me-Staff Sergeant - CA Nat Guard.

I have one son in the Airforce headed to Iraq in 18 days.
I have one son in the Infantry (airborne qual'd but w/inf right now) Army, headed to Afghanistan, with date unknown but late may early June.

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I would ask you keep them both in your prayers; my army son is going to an especially hot spot right now in AFG w/ heavy casualties.

:o

Chess Ref Thu Apr 23, 2009 01:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by wadeintothem (Post 597464)
Me-Staff Sergeant - CA Nat Guard.

I have one son in the Airforce headed to Iraq in 18 days.
I have one son in the Infantry (airborne qual'd but w/inf right now) Army, headed to Afghanistan, with date unknown but late may early June.

http://store.umpassigner.com/images/animals/brandin.gif

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I would ask you keep them both in your prayers; my army son is going to an especially hot spot right now in AFG w/ heavy casualties.

:o

I'm an old 11B. Three years United States Army.

MA_Ump Thu Apr 23, 2009 02:23pm

Booya, 11B! I was 98G, only did 2 yrs though.

GaryBarrentine Thu Apr 23, 2009 02:43pm

Service
 
67V, did 3 years, 2.5 at Fort Hood, TX

SC Ump Thu Apr 23, 2009 04:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 597446)
These people tell me that they are grateful for my service just before telling me I have to endure a background investigation...

My dad was a WWII vet from the Pacific forces. I've still got a letter Ike sent him, thanking him for his sevice. In 1991, I gave my dad and mom a vacation to England. Since my dad was adopted during the depression and had no birth certificate, he initially could not get a passport.

I know folks in the rest of the US laughed about our Strom Thurmond, but our family loved his good ol' country common sense when he told the passport office, "If he can fight for America, he can darn well go see Big Ben."

It's a shame common sense is becoming less common.

NDblue Thu Apr 23, 2009 05:19pm

6 years United States Navy. SONAR Technician (submarines) on board the USS Chicago during the first Gulf War.

Rachel Thu Apr 23, 2009 09:26pm

My Daughter is at the defense language school in Monterey CA learning Chinese in the Navy. I am proud of her choice.

outathm Thu Apr 23, 2009 09:28pm

11B, 12B, and 18D for me. Retired US Army

socalumps Thu Apr 23, 2009 09:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 597446)
PLEASE NOTE: In no way it this directed toward or a knock on anyone who has given any part of their life to the military. All have my utmost respect and admiration.

I did, but often wonder why anyone would give any time to help defend 300MM people only to empower 545. It irritates the hell out of me when groups and organizations in this country "honor" their Vets who fought for our freedom only to turn around and tell us that this word or phrase or action cannot occur without the wrath of our legal system crashing down upon us as it may offend a person or group, often not of our citizenry.

These people tell me that they are grateful for my service just before telling me I have to endure a background investigation before I can enter the same park as a child with whom I will have no private interaction. And if someone raises their voice against such types of action, they MUST have something to hide. Joe McCarthy is well and alive in today's USA.

I have to be sensitive of this person's or that group's culture, heritage or sexual orientation, but I'm not permitted to celebrate mine without being labeled a hate-monger or an enigma upon our society.

Yeah, I served and am almost embarassed by the result.

Sorry to rant, but you asked the question.


545 PEOPLE
By Charlie Reese
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does.

You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

100 senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash.
The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to
determine how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall
of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? Nancy Pelosi.
She is the leader of the majority party.
She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single
domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people.. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.

If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red

If the Army & Marines are in ffice:smarttags" /><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comhttp://forum.officiating.com/ /><st1...y-region w:st=<ST1:place w:st="on">IRAQ</ST1:place></st1:country-region> , it's because they want them in IRAQ

If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.

There are no insoluble government problems.

Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation," or "politics" that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses.

Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.

We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!



Holy ****!!! I 100 % endorse this message and agree with Mike!!!

SergioJ Fri Apr 24, 2009 08:09am

Retired Air Force. And yes, it really is an Armed Forces Branch. :)

Serg

P.S.
Mike, well said!

IRISHMAFIA Fri Apr 24, 2009 08:42am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SergioJ (Post 597575)
Retired Air Force. And yes, it really is an Armed Forces Branch. :)

Serg

P.S.
Mike, well said!

Thank you.

Air Force, huh? That explains a lot of things.:D

wadeintothem Fri Apr 24, 2009 09:11am

I fear that it has reached such a level of corruption and dereliction, that if we voted them all out X3.. there would still be 545 "company" men/women standing to take their place.

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

Arnold Schwarzenegger is the perfect example. He had more money than he could ever want going into office - now he is just a bought and sold left wing turd like the rest of them. If he cant stay straight in that sea of thieves and jackals, who could?

SRW Fri Apr 24, 2009 09:18am

Government service. Hmmm...

I've worked for various local cities or counties for over 11 years now. Never went into the military. Does that count? :)

Dakota Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:32am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SRW (Post 597591)
Government service. Hmmm...

I've worked for various local cities or counties for over 11 years now. Never went into the military. Does that count? :)

Depends... where do you fit in the 545 screed? ;)

softballaddict Fri Apr 24, 2009 02:32pm

USMC reserve 77-83 Ooh-rah! To borrow the ad line from the Marines regarding the 535, "we are looking for a few good men" or women. You would think out of 300MM we could find 535 who would actually do the right thing rather than the politically correct, or self serving. What ever happened to the citizen legislator. We need to get back to that rather than career politicians.

Dutch Alex Fri Apr 24, 2009 03:53pm

When I was a "young boy", the Neth's not only had a career army. All male 18yr were tested and (if tested OK) had to serve for 18 months. Only those who were still at school, could serve later.
Well after another 7 years in school and university, I finally had to go in the army. Granddad served in WW-II and worked/battled in the resistance. He was the last male in our family! My dad, his 4 brothers, their 10 sons, my brother and myself didn't serve in the army! Several reasons, all by law submitted.

The young boys in the Neth's now have it easy; nowdays we only have an army of volunteers...
As my dad said: "Imagine it was war and nobody was going there..."
I feel sorry for all widows and mums with fallen son(s); The War is not ours, let the politicians fight it theirself...

PtotheB Sat Apr 25, 2009 05:16pm

Still in the Army with 22 years of service under my steadily growing belt. Can't keep up with the young kids the way I used to, so I'm throwing in the towel next year to work on my goatee or a fu man chu. :D

IRISHMAFIA Sat Apr 25, 2009 05:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by PtotheB (Post 597774)
Still in the Army with 22 years of service under my steadily growing belt. Can't keep up with the young kids the way I used to, so I'm throwing in the towel next year to work on my goatee or a fu man chu. :D

Or you can grow a beard.:cool:

PtotheB Sat Apr 25, 2009 05:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 597775)
Or you can grow a beard.:cool:

I grew a beard one time when I had relaxed grooming standards but Household 6 (The Wife) didn't care for it so the goatee is the compromise that we live with.

IRISHMAFIA Sat Apr 25, 2009 05:38pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by PtotheB (Post 597776)
I grew a beard one time when I had relaxed grooming standards but Household 6 (The Wife) didn't care for it so the goatee is the compromise that we live with.

Grew a beard out of boot camp in '71 and haven't been without since. Most people I know, including wife, have never seen me without one.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sat Apr 25, 2009 07:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuggBob (Post 597438)
Okay, I get kind of misty eyed this time of year (and on November 10) as I recall my entrance in to government service so many years ago. How many of you guys served in the service?

Bugg


Hmmm, November 10th you say. Would that include a Semper Fi?

MTD, Sr.

BuggBob Mon Apr 27, 2009 08:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 597781)
Hmmm, November 10th you say. Would that include a Semper Fi?

MTD, Sr.

That's right devil dog, I am a Jarhead.

Bugg

IRISHMAFIA Mon Apr 27, 2009 09:04am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuggBob (Post 598034)
That's right devil dog, I am a Jarhead.

Bugg

Well, we all have to live with personal problems. :D

softballaddict Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:22pm

Had a bumper sticker once that said; "When you're the finest, it's hard to be humble - Semper Fi"

IRISHMAFIA Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:38pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by softballaddict (Post 598106)
Had a bumper sticker once that said; "When you're the finest, it's hard to be humble - Semper Fi"

Yeah, that's why the Marine mascot has a flat face.....from running into the bumpers when chasing all those parked cars :cool: :D

Sorry, just couldn't help it.

softballaddict Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:44pm

LOL...and jealousy rears its head. ;):D

IRISHMAFIA Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by softballaddict (Post 598108)
LOL...and jealousy rears its head. ;):D

Trust me, there is not a marine on the face of the earth of which I am jealous.

CecilOne Mon Apr 27, 2009 02:13pm

Mike's 545 rant is playing hardball on a softall forum. ;) :)

Sorry folks who did active, NG and AR only, 6 years.
Units on the edge a few times, though.

argodad Mon Apr 27, 2009 08:42pm

27 years active duty in the USN (+4 years at USNA).


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