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Extra warm up pitches
What is the word on extra warm up pitches in NFHS, ASA, NCAA? Pitcher pitches five warm-up pitches, but the umpire is engaged with umpire duties elsewhere and in not ready to proceed, can the pitcher continue to “warm-up?”
After warm-ups, if the catcher is temporarily unavailable, (tending to a minor first-aid issue) can the pitcher practice low speed pitches with F5? I told the pitcher to hold the ball; coach asked, “Why can’t she throw?” “This is the NCAA coach, she gets five and no more.” Was I right? |
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Speaking ASA, if the umpire is engaged in other duties (substitutions, injuries, etc.), the pitcher is allowed to exceed the normal allotment of 5 (or 3 for SP). There's nothing in the book that says they HAVE to use F2 to catch the warm-up pitches, but I wouldn't feel right allowing another fielder to go behind the plate without the proper protective equipment. Personally, I think you'd be justified in prohibiting such action.
IF NCAA doesn't allow extra warm-up pitches (meaning "that's 5, and that's it, period.") when an umpire is engaged elsewhere, then I'd say what you did was merely preventative umpiring. Someone else will have to clarify that, though. Oops, someone already did. :D |
Where does it say they can get extra warm up pitches in ASA?
If the PU is engaged in other duties the BU should be monitoring that. They get 5 pitches or 1 min, whichever is first. |
No warm up pitches to any minor not wearing a helmet. I define "warm up pitches" as an underhand throw.
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That is very interesting, at the Gold Sector BU was told to monitor that and I never really questioned it after that. It does make one wonder how an umpire could delay the game for a substitution, since it is normally the coaches doing the subbing, but its definately there. Thanks!
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In the NCAA, the pitcher may not throw excess warmup pitches; there is no provision except in "a substantial delay". If I am asked if it is okay, and I agree it has been a delay, then I have no problem granting the request. If not asked, there has been no permission or tacit approval. Throwing to another infielder, however, isn't a warm-up pitch; the NCAA defines a warmup pitch (Rule 1-119) as "Any pitch delivered to the plate during a suspension of play." That means we cannot refuse it, even if underhanded, even if without a mask, as long as it isn't delivered to the plate. This is the same rule application that allows catchers anywhere except behind the plate to refuse to wear a mask; only pitches thrown to the plate are monitored. The only other way to legally refuse the extra throws is if the game is ready to continue, and she is delaying the game. |
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Granted, he may have 4 changes, and looks at the lineup card to be sure we are getting it right; fine. If he started that process in a reasonable time, it is what it is. If he waits the full minute, then comes to me, his delay, not the umpire's delay, so the exception does not apply. |
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But by rule, if we're engaged in handling substitutions with a coach, yeah, they can continue warming up. Good game management dictates otherwise, but it's written in black and white. |
Worked a HS game yesterday where the coach not only couldn't remember her changes, but had a hard time figuring out who was wearing what number.
About 45 seconds into the coach's memory lapse, the pitcher had used her warm-up allotment, I cleaned the PP, returned to my position, looked up and saw the coach FINALLY pull out a line-up card to help her. The temps were in the low 40s with 20+ mph winds. There was no way I was telling this pitcher she had to just stand there. I have a feeling this coach was the closest thing to an athletic female teacher at the school and was thrown into the coaching position. Team couldn't play for $hit, both pitchers were illegal and actually got worse as the game progressed. I spent a portion of the game coaching the coaches of this team. Luckily, the opponent's staff understood as I kept them in the loop. The field did not have any lights and I wanted to get the game done while I could still feel my fingers and toes. :D Told the assigner I need more money if I was going to umpire and coach at the same time. |
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It's going to have to be pretty obvious for me to do anything about this, though. As long as the game's progressing and it doesn't appear to be some cheap tactic to get more warm-ups, I'm not saying anything. |
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Don't get me wrong; I'm not always a hard case about this. We are talking about the cases where we know what they are doing, and you say we have no options. The black and white is we do NOT have allow additional warmup pitches. Quote:
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BUT, if the coach delays until the one minute is up, then wants to give the umpire his subs, that isn't the umpire delaying the game, so that clause does not have to apply. It isn't stated that anytime an umpire takes substitutions that the pitcher can take excess warmup pitches without penalty, nor does it say we should allow them. The rule uses that (handling substitutions) as one of several examples when we may allow them, and not penalize them. And that's the difference; you are saying the black and white is that we have to allow it. The rule says we do not have to allow it, but we may, and gives some examples of when you might. |
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I think we're both looking for something in each other's posts that just isn't there. You know, that seems to happen a lot on this forum. Why is that? I'll admit that I'm not immune to it. Maybe it's just CYA... :) |
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NEWS FLASH ?? :rolleyes: :) I didn't know there was HS slow pitch in Delaware. :p |
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OK, also my friend. Still think what is above applies. |
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I know many of you here do upper level games(NCAA or Nationals) and you must enforce the rulebook however some of us are at HS level or below. While I do try to move the game along it does happen that the break in between is sometimes longer than an minute. I'm not out there with a stopwatch(I do have my old Timex with me when do time limited games :))as long as the teams are making a good faith effort to hustle in and out or in inclement(COLD) weather I'll give them an extra throw or two if they ask. I also think if you have a partner the BU should be counting warm up tosses if the HP is otherwise tied up.
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