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Skahtboi Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:21am
Personally, I don't think that any umpire should be having a seventh game of the day on any day!

argodad Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:50am
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 594253)
If only fastpitch softball would go back to the DH. LOL

MTD, Sr.
MTD, you are still too much of a little ball guy. The DP/FLEX can be extremely entertaining if the coach has a deep bench and understands how to use the rule (and you understand it). :cool:

IRISHMAFIA Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:06pm
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 594253)
If only fastpitch softball would go back to the DH. LOL

MTD, Sr.
Call me a traditionalist if you like, but the DH is one of the worst innovations in baseball. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of the DP/DEFO/FLEX, whatever either.

I'm a firm believer in playing 100% of the game or find another game.

CelticNHBlue Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:09pm
We discussed this a couple years ago in a more general form regarding how the Flex is handled when they enter the BO without notification, the link is below:


http://forum.officiating.com/softbal...r-appeals.html

marvin Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:21pm
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 594261)
Sub for the Flex is not required. Could have one, but not required as the team line-up can legally drop to nine with the DP playing defense.
Putting the DP on defense for the Flex is a substitution and is required to be reported or you would have an unreported substitute (the FLEX has left the game). In the case discussed here a legal sub can later enter the game in the FLEX's spot in the lineup allowing the team to return to a ten player lineup. That's why I said in my other post either an eligible sub or the DP.

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 594261)
Tell me why B2. B1 did not miss their turn at bat if there was no BOO. The Flex, as an Illegal Player was retired by rule 4.6.C.3.Effect. Nowhere in Rule 4 or RS #15 does it state the Flex becoming an Illegal Batter would consitute batting out of order.
The Illegal Substitute Rule 3-4 Penalty states in part "The proper batter is considered to have lost her turn at bat."

NFHS casebook 3.4.2 Situation A covers this.

The above is based on NFHS softball rules.

SRW Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:46pm
Speaking ASA,

Case Play 4.6-5 may offer some guidance as to who comes to bat (B1 or B2). It would imply that B2 would...

...but I may be wrong.

Dholloway1962 Mon Apr 06, 2009 01:35pm
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Originally Posted by Skahtboi (Post 594327)
Personally, I don't think that any umpire should be having a seventh game of the day on any day!
It was 2 games on and one game off rotation so wasn't too bad.

IRISHMAFIA Mon Apr 06, 2009 01:52pm
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Originally Posted by SRW (Post 594363)
Speaking ASA,

Case Play 4.6-5 may offer some guidance as to who comes to bat (B1 or B2). It would imply that B2 would...

...but I may be wrong.
Sure, cite a case play on a day I don't have my disc :mad:

Dholloway1962 Mon Apr 06, 2009 01:55pm
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 594401)
Sure, cite a case play on a day I don't have my disc :mad:
And after reading his post, I went online and ordered one!

IRISHMAFIA Mon Apr 06, 2009 01:58pm
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Originally Posted by marvin (Post 594355)
Putting the DP on defense for the Flex is a substitution and is required to be reported or you would have an unreported substitute (the FLEX has left the game). In the case discussed here a legal sub can later enter the game in the FLEX's spot in the lineup allowing the team to return to a ten player lineup. That's why I said in my other post either an eligible sub or the DP.
Moving the DP on defense simply means the FLEX has left the game, but does not meet the definition of a "substitute" to which is what I was referring.

Quote:
The Illegal Substitute Rule 3-4 Penalty states in part "The proper batter is considered to have lost her turn at bat."

NFHS casebook 3.4.2 Situation A covers this.

The above is based on NFHS softball rules.
Thank you, but as you can see, I am referring strictly to ASA.

SRW Mon Apr 06, 2009 02:11pm
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 594401)
Sure, cite a case play on a day I don't have my disc :mad:
Check your PM...

Dakota Mon Apr 06, 2009 02:26pm
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 594401)
Sure, cite a case play on a day I don't have my disc :mad:
Here ya go...
Quote:
PLAY 4.6-5
In the bottom of the seventh inning, an unreported substitute for B1 is batting and on the first pitch hits a home run for the apparent winning run. Before the umpires leave the playing field, the defense notifies the umpires that B1’s substitute did not report.
RULING: This was the end of the game and the umpires were still on the field. Upon notification, B1’s substitute is now officially in the game and declared out since the offended team notified the umpire before a pitch to the next batter. The run is nullified and B2 comes to bat. (4-6C[3])

Dakota Mon Apr 06, 2009 02:27pm
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Originally Posted by SRW (Post 594363)
Speaking ASA,

Case Play 4.6-5 may offer some guidance as to who comes to bat (B1 or B2). It would imply that B2 would...

...but I may be wrong.
Is there any significance to ASA calling the FLEX in this situation an "illegal player" instead of an "illegal substitute"?

SRW Mon Apr 06, 2009 02:32pm
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Originally Posted by Dakota (Post 594425)
Is there any significance to ASA calling the FLEX in this situation an "illegal player" instead of an "illegal substitute"?
Good question. Are you asking, or leading/baiting me? :)

Dakota Mon Apr 06, 2009 02:35pm
Asking... ;)


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