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Old Sun Jun 09, 2002, 12:57am
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Ok, the player is running home, and the catcher has the ball to tag... As the runner approaches, the catcher tags her and THEN drops the ball... but she clearly tags her first. Is the runner out? I called her out. It looked as though the runner knocked her over, but still... the tag was made.
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Old Sun Jun 09, 2002, 09:23am
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JWalker,
Two things to consider. Was the contact flagrant or malicious? If so, that's an out and likely an ejection. If it was not, then decide if the catcher voluntarily released her grip on the ball. If so, that's an out. If the release was not voluntary - as in trying to reach into the glove to remove the ball - runner is safe as along as the plate/base is touched.

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Old Sun Jun 09, 2002, 10:48am
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JWalker,
Two things to consider. Was the contact flagrant or malicious? If so, that's an out and likely an ejection. If it was not, then decide if the catcher voluntarily released her grip on the ball. If so, that's an out. If the release was not voluntary - as in trying to reach into the glove to remove the ball - runner is safe as along as the plate/base is touched.

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Steve,

The contact need not be flagrant to call the out. When the defender has the ball or is about to receive the ball, it is the runner's responsibility to go under, around or over that defender to avoid running into him/her. If the runner fails to do this, the runner is out (8.8.Q). It is then the umpire's judgment to determine if it was flagrant which most likely would result in an ejection. Maybe two if the coach isn't having a particularly good day

As far as the tag goes, if the catcher still demonstrated control of the ball after losing contact with the runner, the runner is out.

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Old Sun Jun 09, 2002, 01:17pm
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The catcher caught the ball, made the tag (easily), then after she completely made the tag, she lost the ball because the runner ran into her. Then, after that, the runner crawled around her and touched the plate. I called her out.
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Old Sun Jun 09, 2002, 05:40pm
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I am getting that this is one of those HTBT calls. I had a call in a 14U tournament just last week where the catcher blocked plate beautifully as she took the throw from the shortstop, tagged the runner, clearly, as the runner slid into her and then lost control of the ball. I asked her to "show me the ball" since I couldn't find it, and she came up with an empty glove. Much to the chagrin of the defensive bench and fans, I had no option but to call the runner safe.

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Old Sun Jun 09, 2002, 10:27pm
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Ya know... I DO have a problem with making my calls to early sometimes. I still have a lot to learn, and one of those, is wait to see the complete play before I make a call. haha... it causes me some trouble, you see.
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Old Mon Jun 10, 2002, 11:41am
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I am getting that this is one of those HTBT calls. I had a call in a 14U tournament just last week where the catcher blocked plate beautifully as she took the throw from the shortstop, tagged the runner, clearly, as the runner slid into her and then lost control of the ball. I asked her to "show me the ball" since I couldn't find it, and she came up with an empty glove. Much to the chagrin of the defensive bench and fans, I had no option but to call the runner safe.

Scott
The difference here is that the runner slid which permits the contact and the possibility of jarring the ball loose. That is not an option if the runner comes in standing up.

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Old Mon Jun 10, 2002, 07:25pm
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by IRISHMAFIA
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The difference here is that the runner slid which permits the contact and the possibility of jarring the ball loose. That is not an option if the runner comes in standing up.
Mike:

I wasn't implying that it was an option. Sorry if I didn't make myself clear. My comment on JW's play was that it was a HTBT kind of play. Yes...he probably made the right call, though to be sure I would have had to seen it myself.

The other part of my message was just sharing how fickle possession and contact can be. Sorry for any confusion I may have caused by not being my usual articulate self!


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Old Mon Jun 10, 2002, 08:19pm
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Skahtboi
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The difference here is that the runner slid which permits the contact and the possibility of jarring the ball loose. That is not an option if the runner comes in standing up.
Mike:

I wasn't implying that it was an option. Sorry if I didn't make myself clear. My comment on JW's play was that it was a HTBT kind of play. Yes...he probably made the right call, though to be sure I would have had to seen it myself.

The other part of my message was just sharing how fickle possession and contact can be. Sorry for any confusion I may have caused by not being my usual articulate self!


Scott
Scott,

It wasn't a criticism. I was just pointing out the difference between the two situations.

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