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ok, for all you smart folks out there.... When we type rule references or case plays verbatim from the books in here (or anywhere else for that matter.. ie: email or other (cough) forums) are we breaking any kind of copyrighting "laws"
Coz, I know i sure don't call nfhs or ncaa anytime i use their materials.

Second question... do they have a site that cross reference most of the main rulesets? I have only found the one on cactusumpires and the format is kinda gei.
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Old Tue Jan 06, 2009, 10:46am
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I'm no lawyer, but Fair Use is a hot topic with me. Fortunately, I believe that legally-speaking, we're safe.

See this site with regards to Fair Use law. I believe that this forum qualifies, as we criticize, comment upon, and teach from the materials that we reference here.
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I'm no lawyer, but Fair Use is a hot topic with me. Fortunately, I believe that legally-speaking, we're safe.

See this site with regards to Fair Use law. I believe that this forum qualifies, as we criticize, comment upon, and teach from the materials that we reference here.

Sound like a lawyer to me, and your comments suit me.
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Sound like a lawyer to me, and your comments suit me.
No lawyer here, just a geek who calls ball!
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Old Tue Jan 06, 2009, 12:01pm
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I'm no lawyer, but Fair Use is a hot topic with me. Fortunately, I believe that legally-speaking, we're safe.

See this site with regards to Fair Use law. I believe that this forum qualifies, as we criticize, comment upon, and teach from the materials that we reference here.
love me some wikipedia!! so, let me ask y'all.... If I was to develop some kind of hyperlinked, cross referenced thingy using scanned and ocr'ed rulebooks and made it publicly available for critique'ing (sp) and commenting and use for teaching... I'd probably wouldn't need permission? (just spit balling here)
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Is this what you're looking for?
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ok, for all you smart folks out there.... When we type rule references or case plays verbatim from the books in here (or anywhere else for that matter.. ie: email or other (cough) forums) are we breaking any kind of copyrighting "laws"
Coz, I know i sure don't call nfhs or ncaa anytime i use their materials.

Second question... do they have a site that cross reference most of the main rulesets? I have only found the one on cactusumpires and the format is kinda gei.
Thanks.
Good question. Let me tell you how much I care:


















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Good question. Let me tell you how much I care:
Tell us how you really feel Mike.
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Is this what you're looking for?
That is what he looking for, but he is too cheap to copy it, cause it is 30
pages. Messing with ya NCB.
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Old Tue Jan 06, 2009, 04:57pm
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No, please don't.
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Good question. Let me tell you how much I care:

ROFL.... ok now I gotta find a new keyboard or stop drinking coffee when I read these. Focking Bastages.
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Old Wed Jan 07, 2009, 08:33am
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That is what he looking for, but he is too cheap to copy it, cause it is 30
pages. Messing with ya NCB.
Yeah I already have this.. but... awww nevermind.
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love me some wikipedia!! so, let me ask y'all.... If I was to develop some kind of hyperlinked, cross referenced thingy using scanned and ocr'ed rulebooks and made it publicly available for critique'ing (sp) and commenting and use for teaching... I'd probably wouldn't need permission? (just spit balling here)
JMO, but if you're reproducing substantial amounts of the rulebooks, I think you'd be skating on thin ice.

Again, this is my opinion:

OKAY: Cite the "same" rule (including related definitions, etc.) from 5 rule books, making comparisons, criticisms, etc.

NOT OKAY: Take 5 complete rule books and put them on line, even if you add hyperlinks and commentary, without the permission of the publishers/authors of each of the 5 rulebooks.

At what point you cross the line between these two extremes is a matter of much discussion and may depend on what Federal Appellate District you're in.
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Good question. Let me tell you how much I care:

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Wasn't it you that advised an umpires association that it would be wise to take down the copy of the electronic ASA rulebook they had posted on their website?
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