My FUBAR this weekend....

[IRISHMAFIA]

I have no problem with your diplomatic solution.

An argument could also be made that you didn't see the runner "not" score either. If you looked, even late, and the runner was beyond the plate......?

This is the type of thing where 10.3 comes into play, it can become a bit dicey.

BTW, you were both working too many games. This is where tournament hosts save money by using fewer umpires, but it often results in providing the teams with substandard officiating.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

BTW, you were both working too many games. This is where tournament hosts save money by using fewer umpires, but it often results in providing the teams with substandard officiating.

Sadly, more and more, this seems to be the norm with tournaments. I have worked as many as 8 games in one day without a break. (I have never worked for either that TD or that UIC again) I sincerely believe that no more than four games in a day should be officiated by one official. I would like to see more TD's and UIC's developing "morning" and "evening" crews to assure better officiating. But, with the numbers not being there I don't see it happening anywhere in the near future.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

BTW, you were both working too many games. This is where tournament hosts save money by using fewer umpires, but it often results in providing the teams with substandard officiating.

I can easily work six game in an all day tournament so long as I never have more than 3 in a row without a break.

I also don't see how overloading umpires saves money, unless the tournament is paying for travel, etc. There are the same number of umpires for each game...

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

I can easily work six game in an all day tournament so long as I never have more than 3 in a row without a break.

I also don't see how overloading umpires saves money, unless the tournament is paying for travel, etc. There are the same number of umpires for each game...

Housing and food.

BTW, I don't believe an umpire can work 3 in a row and still be as fresh in the last game as s/he was in the first. That is unless the umpire is "pacing" themselves.

Due to emergency situations, I have had umpires go 3-4 deep and it drives me up a wall. I try to avoid that situation as much as possible as it isn't fair to the umpire or the teams. OTOH, I like to have umpires in reserve for the hot days. I am blessed with umpires who will give the extra effort when their comrades are having issues with the heat and it almost happens without me asking.

[Dholloway1962]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Housing and food.

I still don't see the savings with the housing and food for a normal local tourney. Still same amount of games and same amount of umpires. No cost difference between spreading it out or "bunching up" games on two umpires.

Myself, I prefer a 2 games on and 1 game off spreadout from start of day to end of day.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dholloway1962

I still don't see the savings with the housing and food for a normal local tourney. Still same amount of games and same amount of umpires. No cost difference between spreading it out or "bunching up" games on two umpires.

Myself, I prefer a 2 games on and 1 game off spreadout from start of day to end of day.

Obviously referring to a tournament that wants the better umpires or are required by code to use so many outside umpires. For every two local umpires used, the tournament saves $75-$100 dollars a day in housing two outside umpires.

[Dholloway1962]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Obviously referring to a tournament that wants the better umpires or are required by code to use so many outside umpires. For every two local umpires used, the tournament saves $75-$100 dollars a day in housing two outside umpires.

Gotcha!

[azbigdawg]

(Dear Lord...THANK YOU for the fact that Andy was out of town this weekend and not in the great city of Phoenix...It was ONE less call that I had to answer....

Sincerely,
Your slave....)

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by Dakota

I can easily work six game in an all day tournament so long as I never have more than 3 in a row without a break.

I also don't see how overloading umpires saves money, unless the tournament is paying for travel, etc. There are the same number of umpires for each game...

Are you telling me that you are as fresh and alert/aware at your sixth game?? Of course not. The simple fatigue that sets in is enough to cause more mistakes to be made, IMO. The ideal tournament schedule for me would be to work 3 games on Saturday and 3 on Sunday. I know it isn't going to happen, but I wish it would.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

Are you telling me that you are as fresh and alert/aware at your sixth game?? Of course not. The simple fatigue that sets in is enough to cause more mistakes to be made, IMO. The ideal tournament schedule for me would be to work 3 games on Saturday and 3 on Sunday. I know it isn't going to happen, but I wish it would.

If I'm going to drive out to a tournament, spend all day from 7 or 8 AM until 8 or 9 PM at the field, I'd want more than just 3 games. Otherwise, I can just stay home and call 3 games in a row and be done in 3 hours.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

Are you telling me that you are as fresh and alert/aware at your sixth game?? Of course not.

I agree, of course not. You've asked a "hobson's question" (so to speak). Unless you are standing still as a stump, you are not as fresh in the second inning as you were in the first. "Simple fatigue" is not enough to cause mistakes. Significant fatigue will, but people have differing levels of stamina.

I have definitely been overworked at tournaments, but usually it is the result of not enough breaks rather than number of games in total.

For a local tournament, I would consider only 3 games spread out over a day as wasting my time.

[CecilOne]

How about:
05/03/08 10:30 AM
05/03/08 12:00 PM
05/03/08 1:30 PM
05/03/08 3:00 PM
05/03/08 4:30 PM
05/04/08 9:00 AM
05/04/08 12:20 PM
05/04/08 2:00 PM
05/04/08 3:40 PM
all 12&U

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by Dakota

I agree, of course not. You've asked a "hobson's question" (so to speak).

Originally Posted by Dakota

Unless you are standing still as a stump, you are not as fresh in the second inning as you were in the first. "Simple fatigue" is not enough to cause mistakes. Significant fatigue will, but people have differing levels of stamina.

I have definitely been overworked at tournaments, but usually it is the result of not enough breaks rather than number of games in total.

For a local tournament, I would consider only 3 games spread out over a day as wasting my time.

I am not talking about spread out over a day. As I stated earlier I am an advocate of working crews in two shifts. However, as I also stated, with the lack of officials in most areas I know that this is pretty much a pipe dream.

[Steve M]

I've gotten to the point where I prefer 4 games/day, working 1-on & 1-off.
This keeps me fresh for every game and able to give each game the full intensity & effort it deserves.