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CajunNewBlue Mon Nov 17, 2008 09:43am

Adjustments behind the plate....
 
Being a normal sized person 5'-7" and not one of you freakishly tall people 5'-8"+ :D I find that I can get blocked out a sometimes by these prototypical catchers during the pitch (squeezed out etc...) and personally, I adjust to get the best view. So anyways im in a discussion with some D-1 umpires up in Dallas and we are watching a catcher squeeze out one of the umpires working the plate and I say "d@mn I hate when that happens to me" and they just look at me and say just call em balls. DOH! I laughed and thought they were "messing" with me and then they decide to give me a lecture on catcher management and such. (I agreed with them and have done the "hey catch yer blocking my view whisper thing" My only point was that in the manual it states that we shouldn't call balls without trying to adjust and they said once you go down and set "never ever ever ever move".... any thoughts?

MNBlue Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:22am

I've been of the opinion that I am not the catcher's coach. As the umpire, I want her to do whatever she has been told to get the pitcher to throw a strike/get the batter out. If I have to 'adjust' my position as a means to that end, I'm going to do so.

A long time ago, I was 'instructed' that if F2 dropped the pitch, ball it. If she can't catch it, how could it have been in the strike zone. I have since pitched that advice. If I have a ball in the strike zone, it's a strike. Why would I take a strike off the board. Same with catcher positioning. Why ball a pitch when the catcher is hugging the inside corner? I understand slot mechanics, but we are getting paid to call strikes, not telling the catcher where to set up.

No, I don't like moving. But since our goal, as well as their's is to get outs, then why would we want to discourage the catcher from setting up where she thinks she can best achieve that goal?

If I'm the BU, and I'm set up in A, B, or C, and the nearest player has 're-postitioned' so now I can't see everything I need to see, I'm moving as well.

Let the players play and adjust to their position.

wadeintothem Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:36am

it depends. Yeah call em balls once you set and they block you (late setting/moving catcher). You have no choice. Some times you have to adjust if you have time. Depending on the catcher, sometimes I will go to a GD stance, which NCAA allows, ASA does not. I think each situation is unique. A lot of times, yes, just call balls. When the catcher asks where it missed tell her "I dont know, you screened me out".

topper Mon Nov 17, 2008 01:11pm

I was taught to set a little higher in these situations; keeping in mind that the bottom of your zone may be affected. This does not take into account for the catcher moving very late and taking away the slot. Can't really adjust then, so there's no other choice but to call a ball.

whiskers_ump Mon Nov 17, 2008 02:31pm

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Originally Posted by topper (Post 551256)
I was taught to set a little higher in these situations; keeping in mind that the bottom of your zone may be affected. This does not take into account for the catcher moving very late and taking away the slot. Can't really adjust then, so there's no other choice but to call a ball.

I was'nt taught anything. [which BTW was your job, if I remember correctly]However, I just switch sides. If the batter is right handed, and catcher tall,
batter crowding plate, making your view tough, switch to other slot. Do same
on left-handed batter.

whiskers_ump Mon Nov 17, 2008 02:32pm

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Originally Posted by CajunNewBlue (Post 551187)
Being a normal sized person 5'-7" and not one of you freakishly tall people 5'-8"+ :D I find that I can get blocked out a sometimes by these prototypical catchers during the pitch (squeezed out etc...) and personally, I adjust to get the best view. So anyways im in a discussion with some D-1 umpires up in Dallas and we are watching a catcher squeeze out one of the umpires working the plate and I say "d@mn I hate when that happens to me" and they just look at me and say just call em balls. DOH! I laughed and thought they were "messing" with me and then they decide to give me a lecture on catcher management and such. (I agreed with them and have done the "hey catch yer blocking my view whisper thing" My only point was that in the manual it states that we shouldn't call balls without trying to adjust and they said once you go down and set "never ever ever ever move".... any thoughts?

BTW, U really 5'-7"? Don't look that tall. :D

CajunNewBlue Mon Nov 17, 2008 05:15pm

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Originally Posted by whiskers_ump (Post 551276)
BTW, U really 5'-7"? Don't look that tall. :D

lol was waiting for that!!

CajunNewBlue Mon Nov 17, 2008 05:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by topper (Post 551256)
I was taught to set a little higher in these situations; keeping in mind that the bottom of your zone may be affected. This does not take into account for the catcher moving very late and taking away the slot. Can't really adjust then, so there's no other choice but to call a ball.

Being a heel-toe guy I try to "ease" up higher when the back of the head hinders me... but after doing this 100 times the hamstrings start to sing. I might consider doing GD like you. or maybe i could just get a barstool to sit on. :D

SRW Mon Nov 17, 2008 07:32pm

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Originally Posted by CajunNewBlue (Post 551322)
Being a heel-toe guy I try to "ease" up higher when the back of the head hinders me... but after doing this 100 times the hamstrings start to sing. I might consider doing GD like you. or maybe i could just get a barstool to sit on. :D

If your hammies are sore from this, try to not lean as far forward as you are...keep a more straight back (while maintaining a slight forward lean).

Steve M Mon Nov 17, 2008 09:16pm

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Originally Posted by CajunNewBlue (Post 551322)
Being a heel-toe guy I try to "ease" up higher when the back of the head hinders me... but after doing this 100 times the hamstrings start to sing. I might consider doing GD like you. or maybe i could just get a barstool to sit on. :D

You may be leaning forward too far, as SRW noted.
Regardless of that, you need to stretch those hammies more.
Though, sitting on a barstool, exercising the elbow, can take the pain away too.:D

DNTXUM P Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by CajunNewBlue (Post 551187)
So anyways im in a discussion with some D-1 umpires up in Dallas and we are watching a catcher squeeze out one of the umpires working the plate and I say "d@mn I hate when that happens to me" and they just look at me and say just call em balls. DOH!


OK, when were you in Dallas talking to some D-1 umpires. I live in the Dallas area and would like to know who told you that. You can email me if you like

CajunNewBlue Tue Nov 18, 2008 08:38am

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Originally Posted by DNTXUM P (Post 551388)
OK, when were you in Dallas talking to some D-1 umpires. I live in the Dallas area and would like to know who told you that. You can email me if you like

Was at the McKinney NCAA camp last month.

CajunNewBlue Tue Nov 18, 2008 08:43am

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Originally Posted by SRW (Post 551354)
If your hammies are sore from this, try to not lean as far forward as you are...keep a more straight back (while maintaining a slight forward lean).

Was talking more about being down all the way and set... then having the catchers head in the way and having to ease up (slowly) and over to see. But yeah I probably need to stretch (it never hurts to stretch)

DaveASA/FED Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:09am

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Originally Posted by CajunNewBlue (Post 551448)
(it never hurts to stretch)

Want to bet? It hurts EVERY time I stretch :D:mad: but I think that is being overweight and getting old:(

CajunNewBlue Tue Nov 18, 2008 06:47pm

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Originally Posted by DaveASA/FED (Post 551482)
Want to bet? It hurts EVERY time I stretch :D:mad: but I think that is being overweight and getting old:(

yeah I know how you feel :D


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