when & why

canump · #1 (**permalink**) Fri Oct 24, 2008, 11:19am

Was asked if I remebered when the DP, Defoe came into being. Does anybody know when and or why it came to be?.
Also when was the year that the starters were allowed to re-enter.

I want to say the late 70s.
We're just curios and bored here at work.

CajunNewBlue · #2 (**permalink**) Fri Oct 24, 2008, 11:22am

nfhs was in 2003, and from what i can gather ncaa was 2001 (although one guys post states it was 15 years old in 2003)

Dakota · #3 (**permalink**) Fri Oct 24, 2008, 11:27am

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Originally Posted by canump

Was asked if I remembered when ...Defoe came into being....

Sometime between 1659 and 1661.

CajunNewBlue · #4 (**permalink**) Fri Oct 24, 2008, 11:29am

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Originally Posted by Dakota

Sometime between 1659 and 1661.

yeah some of the guys in here were umpiring those games.

argodad · #5 (**permalink**) Fri Oct 24, 2008, 11:34am

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Originally Posted by canump

Was asked if I remebered when the DP, Defoe came into being.

Shoot. Now you've gone and planted the seed in my brain. Every time I get line-ups, I'll be wondering if Daniel is in the game.

Skahtboi · #6 (**permalink**) Fri Oct 24, 2008, 11:46am

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Originally Posted by Dakota

Sometime between 1659 and 1661.

Exactly what I was thinking. Then I remembered Willem. But he is a DA-foe, isn't he?!?

IRISHMAFIA · #7 (**permalink**) Fri Oct 24, 2008, 11:56am

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Originally Posted by Skahtboi

Exactly what I was thinking. Then I remembered Willem. But he is a DA-foe, isn't he?!?

Well, that would apply to the game in Chicago, wouldn't it?

Steve M · #8 (**permalink**) Fri Oct 24, 2008, 02:44pm

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Originally Posted by canump

Was asked if I remebered when the DP, Defoe came into being. Does anybody know when and or why it came to be?.
Also when was the year that the starters were allowed to re-enter.

I want to say the late 70s.
We're just curios and bored here at work.

I think it was 85 for college and 86 or 87 for ASA for DP/DEFO.

As for DA-Foe in Chicago - only if it's da Bears playin'.

bkbjones · #9 (**permalink**) Fri Oct 24, 2008, 03:20pm

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Originally Posted by CajunNewBlue

yeah some of the guys in here were umpiring those games.

Yes, but Defoe was the FLEX. Crusoe, who always lost his way when he was afield, was the DP. He still holds the local record for home runs on Friday.

argodad · #10 (**permalink**) Fri Oct 24, 2008, 03:47pm

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Originally Posted by bkbjones

Yes, but Defoe was the FLEX. Crusoe, who always lost his way when he was afield, was the DP. He still holds the local record for home runs on Friday.

"OK Coach, I've got Crusoe as the DP and Daniel as the Defoe."

Skahtboi · #11 (**permalink**) Fri Oct 24, 2008, 07:37pm

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Originally Posted by CajunNewBlue

nfhs was in 2003, and from what i can gather ncaa was 2001 (although one guys post states it was 15 years old in 2003)

Just noticed this amongst all the Defoe jokes. I think you are thinking about the DP/FLEX.

whiskers_ump · #12 (**permalink**) Sat Oct 25, 2008, 09:34am

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Originally Posted by CajunNewBlue

yeah some of the guys in here were umpiring those games.

U talking about me CNB?

WestMichBlue · #13 (**permalink**) Sat Oct 25, 2008, 02:37pm

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Originally Posted by canump

Was asked if I remebered when the DP, Defoe came into being. Does anybody know when and or why it came to be?.
Also when was the year that the starters were allowed to re-enter.

I want to say the late 70s.
We're just curios and bored here at work.

The DH was created in 1979, fast pitch only, and could not play defense. Also “re-entry” was created that year for starters only. A DH could not return, and a starting pitcher could not return to pitch.

By 1986 the EH (almost identical to DH) had been added to slow pitch; both now had re-entry rights.

In 1987 the DH was replaced by the DP which was as we know it today; can play defense, has re-entry, can be replaced by their defensive player (going from 10 to 9), etc. Also the EH in SP was replaced by the EP.

1993 the defensive player being batted for was named the DEFO and the rules for the interplay between the DP and DEFO are basically what they are today under the DP/FLEX.

In 2002 re-entry was expanded to include substitutes.

In 2004 the DEFO was renamed the FLEX following the NFHS decision to replace its DH with a copy of the DP/DEFO, except called the DP/FLEX.

The Historian (aka WMB)

whiskers_ump · #14 (**permalink**) Sun Oct 26, 2008, 09:59am

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Originally Posted by WestMichBlue

The DH was created in 1979, fast pitch only, and could not play defense. Also “re-entry” was created that year for starters only. A DH could not return, and a starting pitcher could not return to pitch.

By 1986 the EH (almost identical to DH) had been added to slow pitch; both now had re-entry rights.

In 1987 the DH was replaced by the DP which was as we know it today; can play defense, has re-entry, can be replaced by their defensive player (going from 10 to 9), etc. Also the EH in SP was replaced by the EP.

1993 the defensive player being batted for was named the DEFO and the rules for the interplay between the DP and DEFO are basically what they are today under the DP/FLEX.

In 2002 re-entry was expanded to include substitutes.

In 2004 the DEFO was renamed the FLEX following the NFHS decision to replace its DH with a copy of the DP/DEFO, except called the DP/FLEX.

The Historian (aka WMB)

U The Man.

bluezebra · #15 (**permalink**) Sun Oct 26, 2008, 07:27pm

When ASA adopted the DEFO, I attended a clinic at the Long Beach, CA, naval Station. The were five (5) clinicians from OK there to explain the new rule. None of the five could agree with anyone else, and they spent most of the session arguing with each other. Needless to say, us poor schlubs in the audience were TOTALLY confused.

That coming season, EVERY college coach told us at the pre-game when we asked if they were using a DEFO, "I don't understand it. I don't want to forfeit. I am not using one".

Bob