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kfrisbee Sun Oct 12, 2008 08:04am
Dead ball question
 
R1 on third, first pitch is fouled to the ground behind catcher - dead ball. Catcher retreives ball and overthrows pitcher...

Is the play still dead and can the runner advance at her own risk?

IRISHMAFIA Sun Oct 12, 2008 08:19am
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Originally Posted by kfrisbee (Post 542622)
R1 on third, first pitch is fouled to the ground behind catcher - dead ball. Catcher retreives ball and overthrows pitcher...

Is the play still dead and can the runner advance at her own risk?
The runner "can" advance as far as she likes, but there is no risk. :D When she is done, I'm just sending her back to 3rd since the ball is dead.

kfrisbee Sun Oct 12, 2008 08:28am
Thanks Irish. As a first year coach, it is good when I learn something new.

In this case, the ball is dead until the pitcher has the ball and is ready to take her signal, correct?

Dutch Alex Sun Oct 12, 2008 09:38am
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Originally Posted by kfrisbee (Post 542626)
In this case, the ball is dead until the pitcher has the ball and is ready to take her signal, correct?
Almost...

PU has to give the pitcher the signal "Play ball". At that point the pitcher is allowed to start the pitch and is the game not "dead" anymore.

Dholloway1962 Sun Oct 12, 2008 02:36pm
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Originally Posted by Dutch Alex (Post 542631)
Almost...

PU has to give the pitcher the signal "Play ball".
How many of us (umpires) give a play ball signal after a foul ball??? IMO, once the pitcher has the ball in the circle again and steps onto the pitcher's plate we are good to go.

SethPDX Sun Oct 12, 2008 05:01pm
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Originally Posted by Dholloway1962 (Post 542672)
How many of us (umpires) give a play ball signal after a foul ball??? IMO, once the pitcher has the ball in the circle again and steps onto the pitcher's plate we are good to go.
With runners I will, with the bases empty I don't. The runners can't be put out until the ball is live.

Dutch Alex Mon Oct 13, 2008 02:35pm
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Originally Posted by Dholloway1962 (Post 542672)
How many of us (umpires) give a play ball signal after a foul ball??? IMO, once the pitcher has the ball in the circle again and steps onto the pitcher's plate we are good to go.
Here in the dutch top-softball, over 70% of the umpires do give the signal. It's the way we are educated and the way of the ESF (european softball fed.). Don't know how many in the US use the play ball signal; the ump's from the US I've worked with (as Larry White) do also use it...

Even the US-pitchers playing here in the Neth.'s wait for the umpire to give the signal...

NCASAUmp Mon Oct 13, 2008 02:41pm
You know, I never really thought much about it, but I also hold up the pitch while the batter gets settled back in the box. I then give the play ball signal.

And I call SP.

Huh... Weird.

Dukat Mon Oct 13, 2008 03:09pm
Here is another DB situation question:

R1 on 1st. BR hits line shot to RF who fields it cleanly in the air for an out. She then tries to pick off R1 with a shot back to 1st and overthrows. The ball strikes the retired BR heading back to the dugout and ricochets off her leg toward the catcher. When R1 sees the ball hit and go off BR she runs to 2nd, the catcher retrieves the loose ball and then the play is over.

NFHS Slowpitch Ruleset.

What if anything needs to be done now?

Dakota Mon Oct 13, 2008 04:23pm
Why would this be a dead ball situation?

IRISHMAFIA Mon Oct 13, 2008 05:19pm
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Originally Posted by Dukat (Post 542859)
Here is another DB situation question:

R1 on 1st. BR hits line shot to RF who fields it cleanly in the air for an out. She then tries to pick off R1 with a shot back to 1st and overthrows. The ball strikes the retired BR heading back to the dugout and ricochets off her leg toward the catcher. When R1 sees the ball hit and go off BR she runs to 2nd, the catcher retrieves the loose ball and then the play is over.

NFHS Slowpitch Ruleset.

What if anything needs to be done now?
Don't know about Fed, but in ASA that would be a blocked ball. That would be a dead ball, R1 is returned to 1B.

youngump Mon Oct 13, 2008 05:49pm
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 542896)
Don't know about Fed, but in ASA that would be a blocked ball. That would be a dead ball, R1 is returned to 1B.
Off a player? This must be one I don't understand very well. I thought only equipment could make a ball blocked. For a player I had interference or nothing. No?

If this is the case, why wouldn't the ball be blocked if after a (caught) strikeout the BR were hit with the ball while not interfering?
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IRISHMAFIA Mon Oct 13, 2008 06:29pm
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Originally Posted by youngump (Post 542906)
Off a player? This must be one I don't understand very well. I thought only equipment could make a ball blocked. For a player I had interference or nothing. No?

If this is the case, why wouldn't the ball be blocked if after a (caught) strikeout the BR were hit with the ball while not interfering?
ASA 1 Definitions:

BLOCKED BALL: A batted, pitched or thrown ball that is touched, stopped or handled by a person not engaged in the game, or which touches loose equipment or any object that is not part of the official equipment or official playing area.

Tru_in_Blu Mon Oct 13, 2008 07:17pm
I'm also wondering why this would be a dead ball. What if the ball had hit the 1B coach instead of the retired batter. Any difference?

Ted

PtotheB Mon Oct 13, 2008 07:37pm
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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 542917)
ASA 1 Definitions:

BLOCKED BALL: A batted, pitched or thrown ball that is touched, stopped or handled by a person not engaged in the game, or which touches loose equipment or any object that is not part of the official equipment or official playing area.
It hit a retired runner who is a part of the game in my opinion. If it wasn't intentional I've got a big fat nothin'


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