But is he a Smitty?
 

I don't know the details but this is one pile of horse manure I would not want to have to shovel into the manure spreader.

MTD, Sr.

So, they made the mistake of honoring this demon...now, they are too stupid to recant?

What a pile of idiots.

Joe In Missouri
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I have no problem with it.

What if Dahmer was a longtime distinguished umpire? Or Son of Sam? If for no other reason than respect for his victims and their families they should have refrained from giving this subhuman opiece of garbage an award.

Are you out of your freaking mind?

If he was the all time top salesman for State Farm or Toyota, he sure would not be getting an award.

Joe in Missouri

Well, I found this
 

They are still dolts but, at least they got embarrassed enough to take away the award.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nati...ry/648244.html

He may very well have deserved the award for his accomplishments in umpiring, but the association must be complete dunderheads in the PR department to actually make the award.

Not only were they dumb...they lack a moral compass. Who gives a rat's patoot if he was a good umpire? It is not relevant. What would cause someone to give this louse an award?

Cowards

What if the guy had also murdered the kids he molested? Still give him the award?

In Wisconsin in 1973, a fiend raped and murdered a 9-year-old girl who was trick-or-treating in his neighborhood. After he was released in 1998 (though a psychiatrist testified that he was still dangerous), he sued a company that refused to hire him. Even though the company had a record of hiring ex-cons, they drew the line at child rapist-murderers. The fiend won the case, and the company had to pay him damages. (He never had to pay damages to the family of the little girl, though.)

Suppose that guy had been a terrific umpire before he committed his indiscretion. Just a bang-up model of judgment, mechanics, rules knowledge, game management, professionalism, etc. How many of you would welcome that guy into your umpires' association? How many of you would do a 10u girls' game with him?

Look, what the guy did was despicable, no argument from me.

However, we are not part of that group. We did not experience living and working with this individual for 30 years. Those who did had no idea and many could not believe it when he was arrested. How many of us have had a relative, neighbor, friend, priest/rabbi/minister/spiritual conselarl or acquaintence who have gotten into trouble and couldn't believe it?

Do you delete all memory of what good that individual may have done for you or others? If they gave you something you hold dear, do you discard it? If that individual built your house, are you going to move out and burn it to the ground?

This man stopped umpiring. Ever try thinking he realized he had a problem and removed himself from the situation about which everyone is now upset? From what I have read, this guy made no attempt to fight any accusations or penalties.

You know, people screw up and do things many of us would never contemplate. Do you know this person has not made ammends or changed? Did you know this man prior to his sins? Do you know this man since being released from jail? Are you that pure to judge others? Seems to me this guy will get his due, sooner or later. As far as his time on earth, he is still doing his time.

This was a private organization with an award which they sponsored. As reported, it wasn't an e-board or a committee, but the entire membership group which determined the man's past performance on the field and the baseball community. Who the hell are you or I to tell them how to run their organization?

If the people of Torrington, CT want to discard this group because of their action, that is their business, no one else's. If these people are dumb enough to think, "well, they rescinded the award, so I guess it is okay to have them now", they are not too smart. The umpire group did not change their opinion of the man, but reacted to bad press. I would be more impressed with them if they stuck by their guns and lost their contract and lived with it. Apparently, they thought it was worth it when the announced the award admittedly knowing it was going to create a controversy.

Meanwhile, where are all these people who insist this nation and its laws were built upon Christian ideals? Seems to me there are a helluva lot of "christians" in lapel pins and finances only providing a load of lip service, but not willing to live by the crap they shovel upon us heathens.

JMHO

What Christian ideal was violated in this incident?

rash judgment, blasphemy, tolerance, forgiveness,....you can take your pick and I'm sure someone is going to come up with some bible quotes about eye for an eye, etc., but then again, it only comes down to what one chooses to believe or which portions they choose to honor and which ones to ignore.

You can have the bible and, for that matter, any church. To each, their own which was somewhat of the point of my post. And for those trying to make personal implications of how "I" would react, that is not my issue.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Turn the other cheek.

Judge not, lest ye be judged.

If thine eye offended thee, wouldst thou pluck it out?

Like everything, context is the issue. It is easy to "proof-text" with the Bible and prove just about anything. This is not a Bible forum, but each of the examples above are shallowly given to attempt to prove something that is not in the context of the total lesson from the passage.

Nowhere does the Bible teach that someone who commits a crime is to be forgiven of the consequences of that crime. The Biblical principle of forgiveness is between the person who is wronged and the one who committed the wrong, but it does not remove the consequences if the wrong is also a crime.

The Bible also teaches the responsibility of parents to protect and guard their children.

And, finally, American society is not a Christian society in the sense that you are trying to demand. Most of American society operates by, at best, agnostic principles. Certainly, general public opinion fanned on by media outlets cannot be described as remotely Christian.

Yup. Gotta beware of those Christians. In fact, how dare Christianity be the single greatest influence upon the Western world?

But like it or not, it's in the air we breathe. Our government may be secular, but our laws and our culture derive from our understanding of just what a human being is and what that person's rights and responsibilities are—and that understanding was shaped heavily by European Christianity, as interpreted by theologians and philosophers and developed on this continent.

Just wondering—what kind of award would the Moslem world give to, say, a YSISF umpire who had sexually molested young boys?

"An eye for an eye" is often incorrectly interpreted to mean that poking people's eyes out is some kind of recommended punishment. In fact, the phrase is an example of how the punishment should be proportional to the crime, not more severe than warranted.

"Let him who is without sin among you cast the first stone" and "judge not, lest ye be judged" are warnings against hypocrisy, not dictates against punishing wrongdoing. "Turn the other cheek" does not mean let someone hammer you into the ground. (I'm working on the relevance of "if thine eye offend thee" to this situation.)

Right and the man has received his punishment. The only other entity to endow punishment would be a supreme being, correct?

And "turn the cheek" is tolerance. It is also an acknowledgment that a person can make a mistake and should be forgiven.

See, that is part of man's version of religion. Much like the constitution, so many items, written and preached, are vague enough to apply whatever interpretation fits your situation. If you guys parsed the bible and other doctrine like you do the ASA rule book, you would insist on throwing the hole thing out the window.

But y'all are still missing my point which is we really have no authority, religious or otherwise, to make judgments upon others. It is THEIR umpire group, THEIR award and THEY need to live with whatever they do. Too many people in this country think they have the moral authority to judge whomever they please and if you don't agree, you're an idiot. I do not agree with that philosophy.

AFAIK, you are the one who brought religion into this discussion here.

If you notice, the only comment I've made (other than pointing out how shallow your Biblical references were) was that these guys screwed up in the PR department. I never said they should not have given the award. They should not have been surprised by the reaction and the fact that they took back the award says (to me) that they didn't think this thing through. If they had, they would have either been prepared for the bad press and stuck to their decision, or they would have never given the award in the first place.
I've spent much more time with Bible study and with comparative doctrine study than the ASA rule book, and I would do no such thing. But this is not the forum to debate such issues.

Who said anything about punishing him? Not giving him an award is not a punishment. The outrage is that they rewarded him.

I do not tolerate what this guy did, nor should I. He did not sin against me, so I cannot offer him forgiveness. He sinned against his victims and against God. I have no idea if he is sorry he did it or just sorry he got caught, by the way.

We have a responsibilivy to judge in some instances. They did something in public and a lot of the public judged it to be wrong. Part of them living with what they did is that people have reacted to their decision

That would have been greymule. Maybe you should actually try reading all of the thread instead of being so intent upon delivering your personal message.

Which, again, if you actually read the threads you should understand no one is disagreeing with you.

And that, sir, is a personal opinion, but again, nothing that anyone is disagreeing with you.